My whole tank wiped out. How to start over?

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  1. KillaKawi450

    KillaKawi450 Astrea Snail

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    Hello Everyone,

    I think my tank has Ich or some kind of parasite in it. My Angle fish two lions and trigger have all died :(
    Very sad to look at my tank empty. They all came down with white spots all over and my lions ended up with real cloudy eyes. I have been dealing with it for about 3 weeks.

    I tried Ich treatment, did alot of water changes, and tried to soak the food in garlic, but nothing seemed to work.

    My tank was a 180 gallon FOWLR with 75 gallon sump.

    I am just wondering what the process is to start over?
    Do I just leave the tank with the same water in it for several months before I add new fish?

    Do I do any water changes?

    Should I treat my tank with anything?

    After 3 months or so, will I have to re-cycle my tank again or just slowly add fish?

    Also, I have noticed that there are some aiptasia starting to come back. Will these die off with no fish or food being added to the tank over the next few months?

    Thanks for your help or advise you can give. I just want to make sure I do not go through this again.
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  3. jimmy_beaner

    jimmy_beaner Teardrop Maxima Clam

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    For the ich... leave it sit fishless for 12 weeks. After that point, the ich will have completed its life cycle and without its obligate host, will have died. You should practice QT to help prevent it from coming back. Aiptasia should do alright without food so you'll have to do other measures to take care of that.
  4. Vinnyboombatz

    Vinnyboombatz Giant Squid

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    I would leave the tank fishless for at least 12 weeks. You will need to continue ghost feeding the tank small ammounts of food to keep the bacteria alive or you will have to recycle the tank. I would take the opportunity to remove the aptasia either by topical treatments or removing the affected rock/rocks and supergluing the aptasia.;)

    Heres some good links to prevent it reappearing.
    http://www.3reef.com/forums/general-reef-topics/minimum-tank-sizes-selection-animals-137158.html
    http://www.3reef.com/forums/new-hob...general-rules-successful-aquarium-126326.html
  5. tgood

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    Sorry to hear about your loss! Like they said, don't add fish until the parasite is able to run it's life cycle. Most ICH treatments contain copper, I hope you aren't planning on ever having inverts/snails in this tank.
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    None of the "reef safe" ich treatments do from what I know. They are also ineffective, again as far as I know.

    Regardless, with triggers, I doubt you could keep snails or many inverts anyways!
  7. Greg@LionfishLair

    Greg@LionfishLair 3reef Sponsor

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    There are good treatments for cypto that don't contain copper. Right now, the top of our list is quinine sulfate (hobbyist trade name: Crypto Pro). Folks have also had good results with chloroquine phosphate (used for malaria). However, since your tank is empty, leave it fallow as mentioned.

    Did the crypto show up after a new addition and, if so, did you QT? You didn't mention whether this was the case or not.

    Finally, I'm not sure which angelfish and tiggerfish you kept, but non-planktonic-feeding triggerfish and large species angels generally don't do well with lionfishes, as they tend to harass them by nipping at them. If there was aggression in the tank, that alone can cause a crypto outbreak as stressed fish get sick easily.
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  9. KillaKawi450

    KillaKawi450 Astrea Snail

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    Thanks for the replies everyone!

    Why would I never be able to add inverts or snails to my tank?

    So I sounds like the plan will be:
    I will let it set over the summer without fish, no water changes, just keep the tank topped off.

    How often do you ghost feed, what kind of food, and how much do you recommend?

    I will use the rest of my aiptasia x to try and get rid of the aiptasia.
    I do have some aiptasia in the bottom of my overflows (reef ready tank) any idea how to get rid of them, since I can not reach down there?

    No, I do not have a QT tank. I definately need to look into seting one up soon.

    I had a niger trigger, and the emperor angel (who was added last). They did nip at each other once in awhile. I now know to never put them together again.
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    KillaKawi450 Astrea Snail

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    Corailline Super Moderator Staff Member

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    The Emperor really needs a much bigger tank than 180 gallons. It will out grow that size of tank and then you will have problems re-homing the fish to someone with a large tank.

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    ROAST N BEEF Astrea Snail

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    Sorry for your loss
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  15. Pickupman66

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    12 weeks?!?! it was my understanding that the life cycle of it was in the neighborhood of 6 weeks.

    Marine Ich/Cryptocaryon irritans - A Discussion of this Parasite and the Treatment Options Available, Part I by Steven Pro - Reefkeeping.com

    The lifecycle of the parasite is interesting and important to understand when evaluating a treatment. The stage where the parasite is attached to a fish is called a trophont. The trophont will spend three to seven days (depending on temperature) feeding on the fish. After that, the trophont leaves the fish and becomes what is called a protomont. This protomont travels to the substrate and begins to crawl around for usually two to eight hours, but it could go for as long as eighteen hours after it leaves it's fish host. Once the protomont attaches to a surface, it begins to encyst and is now called a tomont. Division inside the cyst into hundreds of daughter parasites, called tomites, begins shortly thereafter. This noninfectious stage can last anywhere from three to twenty-eight days. During this extended period, the parasite cyst is lying in wait for a host. After this period, the tomites hatch and begin swimming around, looking for a fish host. At this point, they are called theronts, and they must find a host within twenty-four hours or die. They prefer to seek out the skin and gill tissue, then transform into trophonts, and begin the process all over again (Colorni & Burgess, 1997).


    Given that, I did Hypo for 6 weeks on my tank with several fish including 2 large tangs and was successful in ridding my tank of this parasite.
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    That article is 10 years old. Not that it makes it incorrect, but we've discovered things since then. There is indeed a much shorter average cycle time, but there have been some that last muuuuuch longer. Most people don't want to risk doing treatment a second time, so they wait past the point of the longest documented cycle.