popeye on a flame angel

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  1. rlman41299

    rlman41299 Skunk Shrimp

    May 29, 2010
    bay area, california
    i would like some input or suggestion on my problem. i have a flame angel with a popeye and i am sure it is not from am injury for it has it for a while now.
    a little bit of what my system is. 90g with 30g mixed reef with various wrasse and the lone flame angel.
    i have treated popeye on my yellow belly blue tang before but on a quarantine tank and treated with furan2 with success. now my situation is different for i am having a hard time catching the flame angel no matter what except if i tore down the whole reef which is not an option as of this time.
    now for those who have experience it, i am thinking of just dosing (just thinking) the whole reef system but i have no idea what effect will it bring to the whole system. i know that the medicine will kill both the good and bad bacteria in the tank. but i have no idea what will the effect be on the reef itself.
    my reef has sps, some lps and tons of zoa and paly.
    any help is appreciated.
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  3. Jseymour

    Jseymour Plankton

    May 2, 2012
    Spokane Valley, WA
    Don't dose the tank with Furan, I'm sure you'll regret that. If you can't catch him(have you tried a good fish trap?), there isn't much you can do. Your only real, safe options are to keep your water pristine with plenty of water changes and feed good, nutritious food, like New Life Spectrum, Ocean Nutrition, dried packaged algae, fresh macroalgae(Ulva and Gracilaria sp.), and various frozen foods, both natural and prepared. Luckily, popeye isn't typically lethal or contagious. Some people have experimented with Vitamin C dosing for various bacterial and nutritional issues in fish and corals with great anecdotal results. If you do this, it needs to be buffered, Pharmaceutical Grade Sodium Ascorbate.

    Excerpt from Elsewhere(thank you Jeff):

    Use this product:
    NutriBiotic, Sodium Ascorbate, Crystalline Powder, 16 oz (454 g) - iHerb.com
    $5 0ff coupon code: LUL789 (good for first purchase).

    To figure out how much to use, decide if you want to simply improve coral growth, spread, and color. If so, then you should dose around 5 ppm twice daily (down to 2-3 ppm works also). If you are having problems with coral or fish health, dose up to around 30 ppm twice daily.

    Calculate the total net number of gallons in your tank (minus rocks, sand, etc). Enter that number here ______.

    You will now need to do a little math. The amounts below are for 100 gallons of water so if you have 50 net gallons, cut the amounts shown below in half etc.

    Dosing amounts using Iherb product:
    1/4 tsp=1112 mg.

    For every 100 gallons:

    5 ppm ----- 1892 mg VC
    10 ppm ---- 3785 mg VC
    15 ppm ---- 5677 mg VC
    20 ppm ---- 7570 mg VC
    25 ppm ---- 9462 mg VC
    30 ppm ---- 11355 mg VC

    After you have figured out how much you want to dose at each dosing, enter that number here _____. This is your dose to be used twice a day.

    *Be sure your pH and alk are within normal reef limits before starting. Adjust if needed. Monitor weekly.
    *Shoot for a ppm of around 5 or lower if only dosing for improved coral growth, coloration, and spread. Shoot for higher amounts up to 30 ppm if you are having melting zoas or closed zoas and look for the causes of your problems as you dose. Check for high nitrates, pests, zoa pox, predators, and unstable water conditions.
    *Dose low amounts and increase the amount slowly over the course of a few days to a couple weeks.
    * If you notice an algae bloom or increased skim on your glass then cut back by half until it disappears.
    * Watch your skimmer, it will start to skim more.
    * Dose the amount twice a day in a fast moving area of your sump or overflow. You may dilute the vitamin c in ro/di water for a minute then pour into my overflow. If adding to sump, try and add the vitamin c after filtration such as skimmers and reactors.
    * If you have a question, ask here. Puffy checks this thread daily.
    * The instructions in this guide and throughout this thread are based on using pure Sodium Ascorbate, not vitamin c pills and other non-buffered forms of vitamin c.
  4. rlman41299

    rlman41299 Skunk Shrimp

    May 29, 2010
    bay area, california
    thanks for this reply. pretty much i have no option of catching the fish unless i break down the tank and since my aquascape is pretty much indestructible (cemented, acrylic rods, glue). i have also gone the water changes every other week, new life spectrum foods, frozen soaked in selcon and even dosed vitamin c (vitamarin) by 5 drops/day. but the popeye is still there.
    but i am relieved when you mentioned that it is not contagious :)