Thank you guys for reading about our problems with this stuff... We have slept on it and we have decided to start over.. Its sad to say it but we have tried everything that has been suggested... This has been going on for way to long and I wish I could post saying that we will figure this out but it has taken over our entire tank and every time we scrub the rock clean it just comes back in full force.. This has been going on for so long I forgot what our tank looked like before it was their.. I think it started in June... I would have to look at my other thread that I had going about it to see about when it started... Well wish us luck on starting up a new one.. I will keep everyone up dated on our progress..