Lowest cost and easiest way to eliminate green hair, bubble, turf and slime algae

Discussion in 'Algae' started by SantaMonica, May 6, 2012.

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  1. SantaMonica

    SantaMonica Fire Shrimp

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    Scrubbers compared to refugiums

    If you are starting a new tank, then the obvious difference is that a scrubber gives you the option of not having a fuge at all because an upflow scrubber can be placed on top of, in, or behind, the display. There are other uses for a sump/fuge of course, but we'll only cover the filtration concerns here.

    A not-so-obvious difference is that a scrubber, if run together with a fuge with macros, will kill the macros even though the macros are much larger. This is because the scrubber thinks the macros are nuisance algae. Some people do run both together without killing the macros, but this is just because their scrubber is not strong enough, and actually the macros might even be slowing down the scrubber because the scrubber thinks it has to remove the macros, along with the nutrients in the water and the nuisance algae in the display. However if this works for them, good.

    But assuming you have to decide on either a sump/fuge or a scrubber (not both)...

    o Filtration with algae is proportional photosynthesis, which is proportional to Light X Air Water Turbulence Flow X Attachment. Meaning, stronger light grows more algae; stronger air/water interface turbulence grows more algae; and stronger attachment lets more algae grow without it detaching and floating away. A scrubber is thus designed to maximize Light, Flow, and Attachment.

    o The main problem with macros in a refugium is the self-shading that the macros do. Any part of the macro which is not directly in front of the light at any moment is not filtering. And any macro inside of a "ball" of macro (like chaeto) is self-shaded all the time. Only the surface macro that is directly in front of the light is doing any real filtering. A scrubber is designed to have all the algae in front of the light at all times. Rotating the macro does not solve the problem, because the time that the macro is rotated away from the light is time that the macro is not filtering. This is why it takes a much larger size of chaeto to do the same filtering as a scrubber.

    o Self-flow-blocking is another problem of macros in a refugium, for the same reason as light-blocking. And the thicker the "ball" of macro, the worse the flow-blocking.

    o Particle trapping is another result of a ball of macro. These particles need to cycle back around to feed the corals, but instead they get trapped in the macro and they rot, and in doing so they block even more flow and light.

    o With a scrubber, there is very little water standing in the way of the light. Also, the light is (or should be) very close to the scrubber... 4 inches (10cm) or less. The power of light varies with the inverse square of the distance, so going from 8" to 4" actually gives you 4X the power, not 2X. And the nutrient removal power of algae is proportional to the power of the light, because it's the photosynthesis that is doing the filtering.

    o Rapid flow across the algae in a scrubber gives more delivery of nutrients, compared to the slow moving water in a fuge. Filtering is proportion to nutrient flow.

    o The turbulence of water moving over the sections of algae in a scrubber help to remove the boundary layer of water around the algae. This boundary layer slows the transfer of metabolites in and out of the algae. There is no turbulence in a fuge (if there were, you'd have waves and bubbles). The interface between the air and water is what provides the most turbulence and boundary layer removal; there is no air/water interface in macros.

    o Scrubbers do not let food particles settle like a refugium does; most particles flow right out of the scrubber.

    o Scrubbers do not (if cleaned properly) release algal strands into display, like chaeto does.

    o Scrubbers do not go sexual, like caulerpa can.

    o Scrubbers do grow lots of pods; more than was previously thought, especially if not cleaned with freshwater.

    o Scrubber don't, obviously, provide a place for snails and crabs, etc.

    However, if you already have a sump with an empty compartment, and you don't mind using all of it and putting a light over it, then maybe it's easier and cheaper to try macros first.
     
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  3. Siddique

    Siddique Dragon Wrasse

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    I like this idea. I will figure out a way to implement UAS in my new tank.
     
  4. SantaMonica

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    Nice. Let's see pics when you do.
     
  5. Billme

    Billme Eyelash Blennie

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    What's the best way to educate myself on using an ats? My current Spain is, I'm almost done with a 120 g. I've built the sump with a 25 gallon fuge. Also which ats of yours would you recommend? I'm going to use a Kessil 150 for light.
     
  6. SantaMonica

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    The algae scrubber site is a good place for info and pics. Also this thread if you read from the start.

    A kessil may not be a good light thoug, it is a lot of light and heat, when you only need a plant-grow LED
     
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    Coming in 2016:
    Waterfall algae scrubber
    Version 2

    After I invented the waterfall scrubber in 2008, it's great that so many people got to DIY it, and it's also great that lots of builders/sellers used it as their design up until the current day. It's had over 7 years to gather hobbyists.

    2012 was a good year though, when I introduced the upflow scrubber. It's only had 3 years to gather hobbyists, but offers them what they did not have before: a compact place where they can put a scrubber that does not spill over when it fills up.

    Now that the upflows are established, it's time to do some more work on the waterfalls. They've been unchanged since 2008, and almost every part of them can be improved. So over the next year or two I'll post up the improvements piece by piece. Hopefully the improvements will be useful to all.
     
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    Awesome!!Looking forward to it!!!☺
     
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    very interested. Following!
     
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    Coming this summer 2016:
    Waterfall algae scrubber
    Version 2

    After I invented the waterfall scrubber in 2008, it's great that so many people got to DIY it, and it's also great that lots of builders/sellers used it as their design up until the current day. It's had over 7 years to gather hobbyists.

    2012 was a good year though, when I introduced the upflow scrubber. It's only had 3 years to gather hobbyists, but offers them what they did not have before: a compact place where they can put a scrubber that does not spill over when it fills up.

    Now that the upflows are established, it's time to do some more work on the waterfalls. They've been unchanged since 2008, and almost every part of them can be improved. So over the next year or two I'll post up the improvements piece by piece. Hopefully the improvements will be useful to all.