Acropora frag bleaching

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  1. Share-Reef

    Share-Reef Astrea Snail

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    Hi guys,

    I bought this acropora frag this weekend at an LFS out of town. I did not notice until on the way home that it was bleached on the back side. And, they didn't bother to tell me. Anyway, since I have gotten it home I have fragged a couple limbs off of it. It had began to spread onto its frag plug so I left that part there and took what was left of the bleaching part that I didn't frag and left in the tank. Is there anything else I can do, as most of my purchase appears to have gone down the drain? It is a blue acropora.
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    Ok, I will try to explain this scenario to you as simply as I can without getting to verbous.
    Many stony corals, you will find, have a bleached or somewhat subdued appearance on the underside of the branches etc. as a direct correlation with subdued lighting. The employment of a dark colored substrate will only increase this scenario unfolding. A white or light colored substrate will help to reflract the light from your lights back up to offer the zooxanthellae(symbiotic corals) in your stony corals beneficial light where the light is normally not as strong. Possibly try repositioning your Acropora within your tank!
    This can be compared simply to how burnt we get by standing in water as the suns rays deflect off the water's surface. Also, if you have ever gone snorkeling and wonder why your face gets burned, again it is a result of the sun's rays bouncing off the surface of the water.
    This can be taken one step further and directly correlates to the fact that the deeper the water depth, the less of the spectrum from lights or the sun is able to penetrate below, hence the reason the ocean looks blue to dark blue with depth. The spectrum of light starting with the red then orange and yellow becomes refracted back as the water depth increases!
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    Share-Reef Astrea Snail

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    I am not sure what kind of lighting the frag was under before I bought it, but it is under a 250w MH in my tank. Where should I put it? I am attempting to post pictures once I figure it out. I have them in my album but haven't figured out how to get them in this thread yet.........
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  5. schackmel

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    A couple things I was told:
    1. with MH lights you really need to light acclimate your corals unless you know specifically what type of lighting they were under, or else they will bleach out. You start at the lowest part of the tank, leave the light off for the first day, then turn it on for a couple hours next day, increase it a couple hours next day and so on until you have full day. You then gradually move the coral to where you want it in your tank.
    2. Many acros are bleaching for some reason globally. Somebody told me this, and honestly I can not remember what he said the reason was...but it is a very common thing that is happening. I will try to look it up and repost..but it is very common.

    If you just bought it this weekend, I would try to talk to the LFS and see if there was anything they can do...because they should have seen that it bleached out in the back...they strategically placed it so you could not see it more then likely!
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    schackmel Giant Squid

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    sorry, missed the part that it was out of town
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    Is it Bleaching problem or RTN that is going on ? If Bleaching then more light and it will color up in a few months if its a condition called RTN = {Rapid Tissue Necroses} , a iodine dip may help knock the infection out ? I always dip a coral experiencing a RTN problem .
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    is there a way to find out the lfs's water parameters and the par rating of their sps tanks? many lfs's dont have good water quality and when you take it home to a better enviroment things go hay wire. can you check your parameters and your par rating? acclimation is a must. also piggy back on what tangster stated.
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    par? Ca? dKH? Mg? temp? salinity? tanks internal water flow?
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    Share-Reef Astrea Snail

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    My tank readings are Ca 460, dKH 10, pH 8.2, Mg 1160, Phosphate ~ Nitrate ~ Nitrite ~ Ammonia all = 0, Temp 82 (Mid day), Sal 1.025

    I don't know what the par rating is or how to find it or how to determine the internal water flow. I have 2 korillia 4's (one in each corner), 1 korillia 1 (center), and the 120 gallon tank is powered by a Mag 12. Is that enough flow?

    One thing I didn't do what light acclimate the coral. Retrospect, I messed up. Also, it hasn't bleached since I got it. I noticed it on the way home from the LFS, so I got ripped....I did do the iodine dip during acclimation, before putting it into my tank. I have since moved it down to the lower 1/3 of my tank but still under the MH.
  13. Tangster

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    That coral is suffering from RTN and its toast , Find another LFS if they sold that junk. Hell I'd give that away if it was in good shape if it was in that shape Its throw it away . Sorry buddy you got sold a dieing frag . if they charged you more then 5.00 for that in a perfect healthy condition that would be about right. Its nothing wrong with your water from what you posted you have any other SPS corals in the tank ? Tell me what lights do you use and the temps are getting a little higher then I'd want at 82 or 83 ? I think you posted . As for light accuilmating ? never worried about it with any sps coral myslef if its healthy and grown by someone who knows what they are doing then it was under proper lighting and can take all you give it . Any SPS coral's we would send out put them under a 400 to 1,000 M/H and let it be , You just got took with that sick coral they should have never had it for sale , I see signs of cyano on it now ..
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    Share-Reef Astrea Snail

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    I paid $40 for that frag. I have several other SPS and they are doing fine and growing. Will the frags that I tried to salvage from the bigger frag cause problems in my tank if left in there? My husband is so mad that they sold us that because it was "stratigically" placed in their tank so that only what was left of the blue was showing and I thought it was pretty and wanted it. Dang it! I want to tell them off. For lights we have an all in one fixture with 2 - 250w MH, 4 - 65w actinics, and 8 LED moonlights. We have them on a timer that turns the blues on at 6am, MH on at 7am, MH off at 3:30pm, blues off at 7pm and the moonlights and refugium lights are on from 7pm to 6am. This is for 120 gallon tank. I guess I'll consider it dead and move on.
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    They shouldn't but place them somewhat far away from your other sps corals and keep a close eye on them. If they start to RTN as well, yank them out. Did you dip the frags in iodine before placing them back in the tank? If not, don't yank them out to do that now but keep it in mind for the future.
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    Yes, I did the iodine dip before putting them in my tank. I think I am just going to yank them out and trash them because the blue on the little pieces I tried to salvage is leaving and they are turning white.
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    RTNing is a bacterial problem , can be brought on from excess heat to bad water lack of circulation to to cool of water low salinity . to Ca and DKH that is not stable enough.. You lighting is fine any acros you get from a commercial farmer will be fine and they need no acclimation .

    Acro's are the major leagues or NFL of reefing they demand perfect and tight water quality 24/7 somewhat but not overly forgiving of lesser quality and parameters of water. This is why we all use as many stabilizing reactors as we can from Calcium to phosphates ..

    Now if you allow that Acro to get to close to other it can very well infect them.. I see one doing the RTN think I dip and set it as far away as I can from the others .. and if it's is worse in the next few hrs I simple toss them out .
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    Ive just been tagging along but thanks Tangster for all the info!
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    welcome to 3 reef Vital apparatuz

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    There is no reason why you shouldn't return the frag to the LFS with your complaints. Do it calmly but firmly and then let them know how DISAPPOINTED you are with them for allowing that to happen to a valued customer - assuming that they truly value their customers.

    Make it clear that "unfortunately" you will now have to think twice before you spend hard earned money there again. It also never hurts to casually let it drop that you know "several other local reefers" who you will be sharing your experience with.

    You may be surprised in how they react. Hopefully it will show you their true colors. So much of this industry is built on rep and trust that perhaps they will make good with you, especially if you have purchased from them before.

    best of luck - sorry this happened to you.
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    amcarrig Super Moderator Staff Member

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    This thread is almost 2 years old folks :D
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    haha.....hmmm

    don't mind me,

    i will be over there ------> sipping my coffee and trying to wake up.

    lol

    (at least you are awake amcarrig)