A PH rant

Discussion in 'Water Chemistry' started by lotzofish, Jan 6, 2009.

to remove this notice and enjoy 3reef content with less ads. 3reef membership is free.

  1. lunatik_69

    lunatik_69 Giant Squid

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2007
    Messages:
    7,933
    Location:
    Miami, FL
    Great point, but in my case, my house is closed up 24/7. So the Co2 level is high, which reduces my ph. The min. I open one window at 1" 1/2, my ph jumps from 7.8 to 8.16 in a matter of mins. If I open two windows, which are across from each other and my tank is in the middle of the two windows, my ph reaches 8.3. The other day I had company over, which was a total of 13 ppl. My ph went from 8.13 to 7.6 in a matter of mins. Now I keep open the window a little and my ph max'a out at 8.16.
    Luna
     
  2. Click Here!

  3. nanoreefer555

    nanoreefer555 Fire Shrimp

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2008
    Messages:
    324

    That is amazing. I would not have considered "company" to be a threat to my reef tank! That's it, no one is ever coming over again!:p
     
  4. lotzofish

    lotzofish Fire Worm

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2008
    Messages:
    170
    Location:
    Ohio
    Thank you for the reply!
    When you test your calcium levels, essentially you are testing the free calcium in the water.
     
  5. lotzofish

    lotzofish Fire Worm

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2008
    Messages:
    170
    Location:
    Ohio
    You've noticed this too, eh?! :) I don't have anymore friends because I don't let them come over anymore. I tell them they will hurt my PH... LOL...;D I know exactly what you are saying!
     
  6. lotzofish

    lotzofish Fire Worm

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2008
    Messages:
    170
    Location:
    Ohio
    I agree, but chronically low PH can cause degenerative health problems over time. Here is a quote to consider: "Prolonged exposure to sub-lethal pH levels can cause stress, increase mucus production and encourage epithelial hyperplasia (thickening of the skin or gill epithelia) with sometimes-fatal consequences." Freshwater-Aquarium-Fish.com - What Is pH And How Does It Affect Your Fish?

    I certainly am not challenging Tangster.. He is truly a genuis, but I want my fish to be as happy a they can.:)

    Thanks for you input!
     
  7. infamous

    infamous Corkscrew Tentacle Anemone

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2008
    Messages:
    741
    I have a tough time understanding pH sometimes. I left my door open plenty of times for 4,5 hours when its sunny and very cool outside. No significant rise in pH. It increases as it normally does if i had my door closed.

    After i do a water change however, it's just incredibly stable.

    For example, i did a 18 gallon water change on my 120 gallon tank. Days before, the pH would be go up to 8.3 in the morning and drop to 8.0 at night, sometimes lower.

    I did the water change at night when the pH was at 8.20. After i did the water change the pH went up to 8.21 and the next morning i expected it to be a bit lower(around 8.1) but it was at 8.20 still. That to me doesnt make any sense. What the hell is making the pH so stable after a water change?
     
  8. Click Here!

  9. lotzofish

    lotzofish Fire Worm

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2008
    Messages:
    170
    Location:
    Ohio
    SOOO many possibilities could be causing this. Do you aerate your mix water? If so, how long? What kind of turnover rate do you have in your display tank? is there any surface agitation? Where is your sump located? Do you have corals, or a refugium? The door being open for 4-5 hours may not be sufficient for equilibrium to be reached, or there could be a device that is inside of your home that is creating CO2 (ventless fireplace, gas heater, etc). All of these could be part of your problem. There are more variables, but these are some big ones. If your mix water is sufficiently aerated, and your indoor CO2 levels are good, then your mix water may have a nice, high, and stable PH. This could be an indicator that you need more aeration in your aquarium.

    A simple test you can perform would be to first, test your aquarium PH, and then take a cup of your aquarium water outside, and aerate it (with an airstone) for a few hours, and then take the water inside and immediately test the PH. If there is an increase then your problem is likely to be due to indoor CO2 levels, assuming that you have adequate aquarium aeration. Also, please note that temperature DOES affect PH, please make sure that your aerated water sample has a similar water temperature as your aquarium.
     
  10. Row2fer

    Row2fer Astrea Snail

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2006
    Messages:
    67
    Location:
    Tacoma, WA
    this maybe silly, but those of you with air quality issues.... anyone try putting some indoor plants near the tank?