Reef Safe Ich/ Parasite Treatment

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  1. Sharkbate

    Sharkbate Coral Banded Shrimp

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    Salifert kits...
    PH 8.2, Nits 0, Am 0, calc 480ish, Phos 0, Mag 1250. Temp 79, actinics, 10 hours, 10k 9 hours. Strong surface agitation.

    A month ago, I added a surface skimmer and 2 hydros. Washed and rinsed very well with vinegar/ water mix. It produced a diatom outbreak... My first algae bloom of any kind in years. 2 h2o changes later it's no better.

    The grama has been rock rubbing for 3 weeks with no change in behavior. Last night, I noticed tiny white dots all over his front half that were not there in the morning. I could assume this is ich, but I've never experienced it. I always run carbon. I've been running a phosgaurd for 2 weeks.

    Can diatoms/ silica cause an ich/ parasite outbreak? What is the best reef safe treatment for this? Freshwater dip as well?
     
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  3. Corailline

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    Garner what you will from it.

    "There are no "reef-safe" and effective treatments for crypt. NONE. Curing infested fishes involves separating them from non-fish livestock and treating them in that other system (or alternatively moving the non-fish livestock). Infested systems can be made "crypt-free" or better "crypt-virulence-reduced" by having them kept free of fish hosts for several (4 or more) weeks without fishes. If practical, elevating temperatures and possibly lowering specific gravity (to the tolerance of other non-fish livestock) can be employed to "speed up" the loss of virulence of the parasites. In practical terms we are generally talking the low to mid 80's F. and 1.017-1.018... with these values adjusted over days time. Care must be exercised in not possibly transmitting disease organisms from the quarantine system... on nets, containers, hands... anything wet, and drying, otherwise sterilizing quarantine"

    Bob Fenner.
     
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  4. Sharkbate

    Sharkbate Coral Banded Shrimp

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    Thanks for your explanation Bob. I have extra equipment and tanks that i can use for quarantine. I assume I'll pull corals from the DT into a 2nd Q tank also with needing to reduce sal and raising temps that high?
     
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    Sorry for the confusion. That quote is from Bob Fenner. If you google his name you will probably see he knows of what he speaks.

    Me, just someone that has put a lot of effort and research into this particular subject. This includes large systems within a public aquarium that I managed.

    Yes I do agree that some fish are better at fighting it off and that supplement to the diet have real value, but beyond that I think all reef safe products for ich are just a bandaid.

    JM2C
     
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    Sharkbate Coral Banded Shrimp

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    Lol.... Sorry for the name confusion. I'm off to google Bob Fenner. I appreciate your input on this. It's ashame this is happening now, as I may be movig within the next several months. I'll be in for a fun project with all the set up and break down. Thanks again.
    ...Bobby (my name)
     
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    Hey Bobby. :wave:

    I really really wish that the cure or treatment for Marine Ich was so easy.

    If anyone can provide some research or links regarding effective reef safe treatments, other than those provided by the product manufacture I would be open to that, but I have yet to see any.

    Bob Fenner opinions are shared by many of those on the cutting edge related to marine systems, so he is not alone in his views by far.
     
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  9. Pickupman66

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    Good advice has already been given. I will attempt to supplement it. there are no reef safe cure's for Marine ICH at this time. the ONLY way in my experience is Hyposalinity treatment for a period of no less than 28 days or treating the fish with Copper. Neither are Reef safe, but both work. you can turn your DT into hypo provided you get all coral and inverts out. then run it hypo for 30 days and you are cured.