Hydrogen fuel cell car! HAHA!

Discussion in 'The Bucket' started by Ryland, May 4, 2011.

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  1. blackraven1425

    blackraven1425 Giant Squid

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    The Volt would have cost much more than $40,000 if it were made 20 years ago. Any technology needs sufficient time to mature to the point of affordability, and hydrogen by any standard has clearly not reached that point. Once both the technology has matured and the manufacturing is done on mass assembly lines rather than as one-off productions, you can expect the price to drop straight into the realm of viability for the average person.

    I don't expect for flammability to be a factor in its adoption; gas is also flammable, and it would be naive to say that the flammability of a material is going to prevent it from being used as a fuel in the near to medium future.
     
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  3. Ryland

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    Alpha I dont think I ever accused you of being a liberal. Secondly I know there is way more science that goes into these things than I will ever nor need to know. All I need to know is results. You may say what you want and point out physics and science etc etc. But what I know are real results. I know you are a master mechanic...you've told me several times. I am Sergeant in a maximum security penitentiary with a degree in justice and a degree in tool and die. But thats neither here nor there. I have good results. Tons of other people have good results. Thats all I need and thats all I want...real results.
     
  4. Ryland

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    Agreed
     
  5. malac0da13

    malac0da13 Torch Coral

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    How are you achieving these numbers? Just setting the trip and running a tank? You can get a huge boost in mpg just by changing your driving rabbits or where you are driving.

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  6. alpha_03

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    But you posted all of this for a reason- need I quote you? All I am asking you for is more information, I have over 42 links concerning this very topic at hand right now, I simply would like to know where you are getting information that proves you are actually creating hydrogen, from what I have seen of what you have posted- this simply is not possible- UNLESS there is something here I am missing. Are you using Ammonia?

    Please advise.
     
  7. leighton1245

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    But How do you track your results? lol That has been asked many times I dont think you do?
     
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  9. blackraven1425

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    At the very least, I would think you have numbers on the number of miles you drove and the number of gallons you put into the tank on each fill up. Do you have those numbers?
     
  10. alpha_03

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    here is what I believe is happening- water- not hydrogen , in a semi-heated form is introduced into the combustion chamber. This does not create power, what is does at first look is acts as a anti-knock agent, BUT, as you heat this higher and higher, it becomes the opposite - it becomes steam- heated water vapor. This is all fine and well for an engine that is carboned up with high milage, because it breaks up/disolves away this carbon- over time. This, at first will cause and increase in over all engine efficientcy (less carbon). However, over time as the "carbon" is depleated there is nothing for this water borne fuel source to react with, it then becomes a retro active NON-fuel source, and can litterally lock the engine because there is not enough energy in gasoline to sustain the the water to steam to gasoline/water mixture at the rate the engine is demanding. The internal carbon in your engine is also acting as a fuel source.

    Simply put, your adding distilled water to your engine, breaking away carbon- for now, until the point comes (perhaps this summer) when the heat and pressure you have created can no longer exchange it's form- gasoline= power, water = steam, and soon engine lock and internal engine damage.

    With your present explanation this is all can can extrapulate from what you are giving to me. This is why I need more information.

    Make me a believer.
     
  11. Powerman

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    Flammability is an issue though because hydrogen is the smallest molecule and it is hard to seal. We uses hydrogen at the plant on a daily basis. Everything has to be special to contain H2.

    Flammability is also a problem with H2 because the flame is invisible. Gas will not combust at room temp, but H2 will as soon as it hits the right concentration.

    It is a problem.
     
  12. alpha_03

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    One other thing, to create hydrogen you need a source of heat in a contained enviroment at over 2000 degrees, then a way to store it, and a way to seperate out what you do not want, is this what you have?

    Show me.