Hydrogen fuel cell car! HAHA!

interesting conversation...prolly should have been in PM form however.

 

Feel free to paint me any way you see fit. What I don't like is somehow I'm wrong for stating facts or at least my perception of them, instead of going along with some made up harm I'm doing to some future generation and how I need to SAY how much needs to be changed while I go about my business making no change and continuing the self gratification practices I say is bad. I don't sit around living like there is no tommorow because I know in some far off distant future there will be another mass extinction... just like I don't sit around changing my ways today because of some far off boogy man that is going to harm some imaginary grand child in some far off future and expecting everyone else to do as I say based on my idealism.

There are plenty of tangible reasons to conserve resources right in front of our face. Things that effect us today. Yet you expect me and others to sacrifice today for some far off generation when people today won't or can't sacrifice today to pay for THEIR own children college in the near future. Hey.. we can ask somebody to legislate college savings for us.

Look at the OP. Not waiting on Washington or legislation. Using his own time in his own garage playing with something to lower fuel consumption. I took my tank down for various reasons... but one reason that actually mattered was because I was not cool with my power consumption. Personal choice. I have commuted about 25,000 miles... and counting by bike... personal choice. Conservation of resources. I don't have lush landscape, I don't waste water, I use PC bulbs and turn out my lights, insulate my house and live with Summer temps and will not put in a AC... personal choice. I practice mine quite well.

Feel free to make some personal sacrifices and change your carbon lifestyle anytime.... you don't have to wait for legislation to mandate it.

 

Here's an idea....get rid of all the bleeding heart liberals (dont think I have to point fingers here Powerman) and turn the conservatives loose on this country. I like it. I like it a lot. Of course I dont come here to talk politics. Guys lets keep this civil, okay? Just my two cents.

 

Ya... we don't rant to go down that road.. the thread will be closed. Hard to keep this non political... but lets try our best.

The one awesome thing is that these conversations are taking place at all. We got to be where we are by just taking what was available without any thought to the future. Our population was so low, and our resources so plentiful... it was hard to image at the turn of the century any need to conserve.

While I don't think you are getting what you think, I dig your attempt. All this stuff is interesting and it gets people thinking.

But these conversations are very much on topic... why care about lowering fuel consumption if you do not think using less fuel is a good idea. Why talk about alternative energy sources if you do not think there are problems with the current ones. The only problem I have with the current ones is that they are finite and leave our way of life vulnerable.

 

I agree they are finite and it leaves us vulnerable. I hate that we must import so much oil. We MUST find another fuel alternative

 

The thread has stayed non political and thus no reason for anyone to close it IMHO

I have made a call - to edit comments from your post Ryland and I hope you can understand my reasons for doing so

other people would probably want the thread to stay open, as its generating a lot of interest and opportunity for debate

as such for the benefit of those people, I have excercised some common sense and just removed comments that are political in nature

Steve

 

We dont just use oil for fuel though we use it for everything from platics to gear lubes there is many bi-products that come from oil that we will always use. I do agree with reducing fuel consumption thus the reason I am starting to ride my bicycle to work that and im gearing up for a iron man triathalon . Also the oil that we have in ground in the US isnt optimal for refining its not light sweet crude like we want for our gasoline and would take twice the effort to refine it that they oil we import now does its more of the black tar oil I used to be a rough neck (tough tough work).

I still would like to know though what software or tuning resources does the OP use to monitor the gains and fuel curves.

 

Thank you Steve. I appologise I may have had a moment there lastnight.

I realize there is a ton of science to go against my claims but nobody has given me an answer to this question yet. Why then, if this system does not work, do hundreds of people build these and place them in thier vehicles and then rave about them everyday? I cant be the only one drinking the koolaide around here.
;D

 

The reason why is because they are drinking the koolaide hydrogen is highly flammable and it takes a very large capacity holding container to store it we are talking the size of your trunk. With that said here is some facts why i say its not possible in your car its very very costly so costly GM doesnt wanna foot the bill : General Motors CEO Fritz Henderson noted that GM had reduced its hydrogen program because the cost of building hydrogen cars was too high. "It's still a ways away from commercialization", he said. The "Volt will likely cost around $40,000 while a hydrogen vehicle would cost around $400,000.[6] Most hydrogen cars are currently only available as demonstration models for lease in limited numbers and are not yet ready for general public use. The estimated number of hydrogen-powered cars in the United States was 200 as of October 2009, mostly in California.

Also NASA uses hydrogen to launch Space Shuttles into space and do you know how much hydrogen it takes per pound for them to launch?

You still havent answered my previous question either so I assume you have no way of recording your data or actually proving that its working?

Best of luck with it I hope you get it to work then I we all can use it on our cars and a far cheaper price then what it can be mass produced at, the last guy I knew with a car that ran on water that was converted into hydrogen was worth about $900 million and lives in Blue springs MO in a Cave off of 7 HWY.

 

To answer you we need more information:

Let's have a look at what we know so far- some type of distilled water in some type of electrically charged container, with an on/off switch. Quick question- how does one distill water?

So can you please tell us what is the delivery method?
How is it metered?
What is your emission output before and after the devices use?
Have you had this car on the dynometer?
What type of base fuel is being used?
How much voltage is used to "create" this hydrogen, what is it's source?
How are you storing this hydrogen for use, or as a substitute to the fuel system's fuel tank?
What is the hydrogens temperature at it's point of creation? And at it's point of use?
Are you using an electrode, or just pure voltage (a few wires) in the "water" source- to create this hydrogen?

Do you have a link to this system from another source?

These are just a few things to consider, trust me if if this is viable-I too will try it. As I have been a master mechanic for 30+ years now, I believe that I have a grasp on what is possible and what is not.

And no, I am not a Liberal, but I do believe in renewable energy- and for good reason.

Oh and BTW, after this, we can get into how you are separating these molecules for use as a fuel source.