What's wrong with my Coral Beauty Angelfish?

Discussion in 'Diseases' started by Bogie, Feb 11, 2008.

  1. Bogie

    Bogie Snowflake Eel

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    When i bought him on Saturday, he had nice big purple lips and looked completely normal. He's spent much of his time hiding in/underneath the liverock in my tank. Tonight I noticed his lips are all messed up and has a white spot on his left side, and some maybe some whitish stuff on the lower part of his gills. Are his lips messed up from picking at algae on the LR, or is this something to be seriously concerned about. If it's a disease, I don't want it spreading to my other fish. I have no hospital tank to put him in for tonight (the 10 gal and smaller heater is still at my parents house). Any ideas?[​IMG]
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  3. mandarin11

    mandarin11 Peppermint Shrimp

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    Get him a cleaner shrimp. Seriously. My CB alway ends up getting something and the shrimp cleans him right up. They love each other, and I don't have to stress anyone out by medicating.
  4. Bogie

    Bogie Snowflake Eel

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    seriously, that will do it? I can get one at my LFS tomorrow.
    I have 2 yellow tail damsels, 1 blue hippo tang, 2 misbared clowns, +9 blue hermit crabs, + 15 assted snails. Are you sure I'll have no problems with the cleaner shrimp, even if I add corals to the tank later? Thanks a billion. BTW - a cleaner shrimp will take care of this mouth disease?, but what is it?
  5. sweetriden76

    sweetriden76 Coral Banded Shrimp

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    you shouldnt have any problem with a cleaner shrimp in that tank, I'll have to let others ID the problem and if the shrimp will fix it, if you like cleaner shrimps though you might as well get one and see if it helps...he will help your other fish as well then...
  6. mandarin11

    mandarin11 Peppermint Shrimp

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    I wouldn't try to ID the lip, but yeah, my shrimp cleans all that stuff off my CB. He's gone through ick a few times and sometimes gets some white blotches on him, but the shrimp cleans him up over night and the fish never seems to suffer. I would medicate him if he showed signs of suffering, but since the shrimp takes care of all of it I figure I'd just stress him out and make it worse. Oh yeah, and the shrimp won't hurt corals, they're actually recommended for reef tanks, the skunk cleaners anyways.
  7. Bogie

    Bogie Snowflake Eel

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    you guys rock. tomorrow i'll be picking up a little red cleaner shrimp. i'll let you know if that does the trick.
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  9. mandarin11

    mandarin11 Peppermint Shrimp

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    He should, I've had yet to hear of a cleaner shrimp that didn't clean.:) Update us tomorrow.
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    Ditto mine does a great job!
  11. Bogie

    Bogie Snowflake Eel

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    I don't think he's going to make it until tomorrow. I just found him lying on his side breathing, and noticed another whitish mark on his other side. He had been hiding in a LR "cave" most of the time since I had him, and came out to investigate the new tank only occassionally. I have never seen him lying on his side on the live sand (behind a LR) though, and he netted up pretty easily, not trying at all to escape. I seriously doubt he's going to last the night and I don't want him dying in the tank while I'm asleep and causing an ammonia spike in addition to infecting the other fish. I have some old (from 8+ yrs ago (probably expired?) Rid Ich+, so I'm putting the CB in a bucket with the rid ich for the night and going to keep a thermometer in it and an incandescant light over it to keep it warm. Any oppositions to this? This fish needs help quick.
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    mandarin11 Peppermint Shrimp

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    Don't leave the fish in there overnight! Is Rid-Ich even for saltwater? I think its for freshwater. Do you have any copper medicine? For use in a separate tank of course like a quarantine? Honestly I'd toss the Rid-Ich because of the age. If you're going to try anything maybe a freshwater dip. A dip mind you not an overnight stay. Hope he pulls through.
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    mandarin11 Peppermint Shrimp

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    Maybe a water change if you're up to it and can manage it with out stressing him further. What are the params?
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  15. JasonSquared

    JasonSquared Spaghetti Worm

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    Rid ich won't work at all... Copper and hyposalinity are the only proven methods of treating Ich. Unfortunately I think that it's probably already too late as it sounds like it's in his gills...
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    mandarin11 Peppermint Shrimp

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    unfortunately I have to agree with you Jason.
  17. Bogie

    Bogie Snowflake Eel

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    well then i bought a bad fish on Saturday.

    Status: still alive, breathing but lying on his side in the bucket - water from the tank (slightly blue from the Rid-Ich+), being heated with incandescent lamp and aluminum foil "hood". this Rid-Ich+ is made by Kordon which says produces a concentration of 0.05 mg/L malachite green and 15 mg/L formalin. says fresh or salt water on the bottle.
    Water conditions were checked today at the LFS, ammonia 0, nitrite 0, nitrate under 20ppm. They said it was pretty good.

    all other fish, snails and hermit crabs are o.k.

    The only place still open that might have other medications would be Walmart, like 30 minutes away, and they carry mostly only fresh water foods and meds anyway. If the CB is going to die tonight without the Rid-Ich, then it's worth a shot with it, right? I just don't get how 5 hours ago it was swimming ok, and now it's on it's side. I know the lips and white areas aren't normal, but is that just how some angelfish sleep, on their side? It doesn't look right to me and every fish I have seen lying like that is a dying fish.
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    phoenixhieghts Panda Puffer

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    I think the mouth thing is fluke - he needs treating as opposed to a cleaner shrimp! thats if he's still alive, if not then sorry for your loss!
    Angel fish, like tangs contract illness really easy in my experience! I think the best thing i ever did was put a uv sterilizer on my tank! never had anything since!
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    Bogie Snowflake Eel

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    well, I woke up at 6:30 this morning and the CB was OPD. At least he didn't die in the tank. I'll call the lfs where i bought him and see if any other fish in that tank had any problems. Maybe I'll get a refund/exchange, since most likely he had the disease when I bought him?
    The rest of the fish (2 clowns and 2 damsels) still looked good this morning. I couldn't find my blue tang, though. Usually he doesn't come out of hiding until after the lights have been on for a while.
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    I had a chromis die that way even though the water was perfect quality, wish i had seen this thread before. I learned that a FW dip is great for flukes. Sorry for loss. Stress of intoduction to new tank weakens fish and gives the parasite eggs that are on fish (they are almost always there unless LFS has the ability to maintain Ich-Less and Fluke-Less tanks, which is nearly impossibe as certain parasites are always in tank just not on fish ATM) a chance to attack and breed. the fish are then stressed from the current parasites and the newly hatched parasites add to the anguish till death. it sucks.
  22. Bogie

    Bogie Snowflake Eel

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    So my cousin highly recommended that I put in some API Melafix, just in case the tank and other fish became contaminated. Does anyone have any experience using Melafix - my cousin uses it b/c it is supposedly all natural and will not harm any inverts or corals. The rest of the fish still look and behave great, with no signs of illness. Any recommendations?

    I'm not going to add any more fish for a little while, but I am planning on adding a bubble tip anemone for the 2 clowns.
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    missionsix Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Acclimation is the key ingredient besides proper selection. I have learned the hard way losing a purple tang which I grieved about on 3reef. I HATE WAITING TO ACCLIMATE! But, have learned it is very important to any species that you are adding to your tank. I don't know if this is the case with you but, sounds horribly familiar.
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    Bogie....you got a sick fish from your LFS, no doubt about it. Get him to refund your money or take your biz elsewhere bro.

    A cleaner shrimp will do fine in a reef tank. Cleaner shrimps will prevent deseases,not cure them. Also, it's all up to the fish if he wants to get a rub down by a cleaner shrimp...I have noticed one of my cleaner shrimps trying to sneak in from behind one my clowns to give him a sneak attack cleaning...but the clown quickly gets away from the shrimp....so, like I said, it's all up to the fish.

    Another way to keep your fish healthy is by adding garlic solution to their food...Seachem's Garlic is great and cheap, add a few drops and your fish will not only be healthy, they'll love the taste, even those picky eaters won't resist the smell....also, if your ever get another angel or tang, they love algae...if they keep eating it off the LR, they will eventually deplete it, so get yourself some seaweed salad and hang it with a vegie clip...your fish will get their nutrients and stay healthy....hope this helps.

    btw...a UV sterelizer will kill most of the free floating bacteria and desease causing organisms.