So I went to some of the stores localy looking for hermits and snails. I first went online and narrowed my list of desired species. Had it down to: Red Legged Hermits Scarlet Hermits dwarf zebra/hawaiian reef Was thinking about the blue legged but there seemed to be lots of warnings about him. Snails I wanted: Astraea Nerita picea Nassarius Wanted to avoid Turbos because everyone says they knock over rocks. And Margaretia's people say are cold water and would die. So sound like a good selection? Now off to the stores I go. First store I go in out in Alemeda Amazon Aquariums has these little poorly labled chambers and there are just piles of shells in there and nothing is moving. I cant tell if its supposed to be hermits or snails. The guy doesnt seem to be intersted. So I go to Aquarium Concepts down in Hayward. I go here because they are big bright and seemingly well stocked. One of the little pods labled red legged is a bunch of shells piles of legs and claws and one or 2 hermits fully receeded into their shells. In another chamber I see what seems to be the only blue legged hermit they had. And I was about to say well maybe i will just buy him take him home and let him have a tank. But what was he eatting? OH yeah the only thing they put in the chamber with him a bunch of little snails. Him and the one other crab in there seemed to just be walking over the tops of snails and feasting on them. Something tells me that guy was dammaged goods and would never socialize well with other crabs. Oh and they had this big old tank that seemed like a great place for all the snails and crabs to be living and feasting on algae. Turns out it was just Margaretia snails which supposedly die in most reef aquariums because of the temperature! So I dont know is there any LFS that dont feel shady? I would think living in the San Fran Bay area there has to be some stores that people trust? Ordering cleanup crews online seems like a joke because I dont need that many little guys. I was told one crab per 5-10 gallons. So buying 30 dollars worth of snails and crabs just to pay 40 in shipping seems absurd. How does anyone do it? OK now that im done with my rant. I am going to try again today and drive out and see if I cant find a decent LFS Glen.