What meds to have on hand

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  1. Recliner

    Recliner Flamingo Tongue

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    I'm planning on setting up a 30 gal qt tank for the first time. I'm going to fill it with water from my DT that I know has ich in it.
    I'm going to be getting a tang so I know it will get ich while in the qt. I'm wanting to have meds available to treat it if it gets bad. What works best?
    I'm wanting to keep it in qt so i can give meds if needed while it builds it's immune system to fight off the ich naturally once in my DT.

    I'm also wanting to get a fox face or orange butterfly. Are they hardier vs ich? If they are, I'd like to put them straight in my DT.
     
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  3. cosmo

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    If you are planning to just throw fish straight into your DT, I wouldnt QT anything, its only going to add stress to the fish and especially with added medications and treatments. IMO, I'd skip the QT unless you're going to go full tilt, as in removing all fish from your DT and leaving that fallow for 8 weeks, while treating your QT for diseases. But I'm pretty sure tangs are the worst for ich. I like the thoughts, but IMO, if you're not gonna do it 100% I wouldn't waste your time. Maybe keep it for a hospital tank.

    Heres a link to read;
    http://www.3reef.com/forums/diseases/ich-101-noob-noob-128391.html
    http://www.3reef.com/forums/new-hobby/simple-rules-avoid-ich-126326.html

    But basically, IMO, you're setting that tang up for failure by QTing it while medicating it, and then throwing it into a tank with Ich. I have Ich in my tank and just fought through a battle with my tangs and clowns, using nothing but good food, plenty of nori with selcon.

    Good luck
     
  4. Recliner

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    I have lots of nori and spirulina brine, regular brine, mysis, and krill. Plus flake that has garlic.
    I also have liquid garlic extract but am not sure I've been using it right. I usually put a couple drops in a small bowl that I thaw the food in then suck it all up in a turkey bastor and squirt it in the tank. For the nori I just put a couple drops on the dry sheet and clip it in the tank.
    Is that right?
     
  5. cosmo

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    sounds fine, but don'toveruse the garlic, it can cause problems in fish. Its an appetite increaser only, and some parasitic help too. But use it sparingly unless your fish are sick, then the goal is to keep them eating;)
     
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    yes, just a couple drops is enough for your frozen. You might try dipping part of the sheet in the garlic and then put it in the tank. What other fish do you have in your DT? Also, you don't NEED to put garlic on food unless you notice that your fish are not eating.. garlic doesn't necessarily build the immune system (although some will debate this), it's used to entice fish to eat - try the nori and other food without first. Also, I know many people recommend a QT while others choose not to have one. My advice to you would be to use new water for a QT.
     
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    Ahh....cosmo, great minds think alike at the same time ;)
     
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  9. Recliner

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    I currently have 2 clowns, blue/green chromis, black sailfin blenny, six line wrasse, tomini tang, falco hawkfish, and a sleeper banded goby.

    Selling the hawkfish and the goby Saturday morning and buying new fish that afternoon.
     
  10. RedGambit

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    Vitamin C is a good thing to have I use this:
    Marine Aquarium Supplements: Brightwell Aquatics Vitamarin-C

    Along with Selcon or a garlic supplement, Eh, Sometimes when Im cooking I save our garlic juice from using the garlic press. We just buy organic Garlic. to make sure theres no pesticides. A little goes along way.

    Rabbitfish/Foxfaces are generally more harddier then most tangs, but still can die from parasites. They also can shed a layer of mucus which will help get the parasites off the fish, however this doesn't help entirely cause they are still in the tank. Oh they are venomous to... So yeah. :)

    Good Luck with what you do.
     
  11. Greg@LionfishLair

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    Vitamin C is the bomb...we use a special stabilized formulation that is made especially for the aquaculture trade. Actually, we use two types...one for tank dosing and another for dosing food. Be sure not to keep the Vit. C around for very long, as it oxidizes quickly and loses efficacy.

    Vitamin C is a good appetite booster as well. I'd use it over garlic any day.

    Beta Glucan can also be used to boost a fish's immune system, but this must be given in food (such as enriching live Artemia).

    Foxfaces actually have a cuticle that they shed, much like Scorpaeniformes...it's not a mucous coating. The ability to shed this cuticle rids them of ectoparasites, and is one of the reasons these fish are so disease-resistant.