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Old 06-29-2006, 12:44 PM   #1 (permalink)
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When I started my tank, I did so with Crushed Coral on the bottom. I'd like to change to a nice Sand base, but I want to make sure I don't get into the process and then really foul things up, so I have a couple of questions:


1) Since the tank is already cycled and such, would a fine (non-"live") sand be acceptable? The bacteria and such from the rock should successfully "seed" the sand, should it not?

2) A good quick rinse with some RO/DI water should be sufficent for "cleaning" the sand prior to introduction, yes?

3) Would it be worth leaving a bit of the crushed coral to intermix with the sand (might give it an interesting look, if nothing else


I was planning on matching this up with a water change anyway (get a big ol' rubbermaid tub to hold rock & some tank water, then fill with sand, new water, replace the rock, add some of the old water, re-introduce fish (after a sanity checking Nitrate/PH/Ammonia test) then add the rest of the old water...probably still end up with a net 40 - 50% water change.

Seem like a doable procedure?

Likewise, how much sand is needed in a 55gal 48" long tank to get a decent (about 3" deep) sand bed.


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Old 06-29-2006, 01:44 PM   #2 (permalink)
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1.) Yes, you are correct. I would leave a small amount in to help seed the sand. How deep is your crushed coral now?

2.) A Very Very thorough rinse is required. Unless you are willing to live with cloudy water central for at least a week

3.) It wouldn't hurt, although the sand will just sift into the crushed coral until it dissapears. Which is why I asked how deep your cc bed is now.

4.) 3" sand bed in a 55 tank will take about 90 lbs according to our sand calculator link.

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Old 06-29-2006, 02:22 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Aragonite is better than plain sand as it helps in buffering capacity and also releases calcium etc. into your water.


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Old 06-29-2006, 05:26 PM   #5 (permalink)
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thanks for the reply.

plain sand being not live sand or play sand correct.Aragonite or live sand which is better. I went with the advice of my LFS and bought Aragonite and I have 4" of in it my 75 Gal. Would live sand be better I suspose is my question.
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Old 06-30-2006, 02:49 AM   #6 (permalink)
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live sand just means that is has some beneficial bacteria in it. If you leave some of your cc in the tank it will seed your aragonite sand quick enough.
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I would also consider the substrate based on what you have inside of your tank. Like me, I have engineer gobies that love to move the sand around. I don't think they'd be very happy with a chunky substrate like crushed coral.
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is Aragonite CC or Sand? How big is CC?
Sory for all the questions.
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Aragonite is supposed to be CaCO3, Calcium carbonate, so is crushed coral
It is in finer particles so it looks like sand.

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