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07-16-2008, 09:38 AM
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#11 (permalink)
| | Sailfin Tang
Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: St. Louis
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Originally Posted by sostoudt 
does anybody have any links for closed system tanks?
| Yup....prepare to be unimpressed. A Trip to the Ocean @ Biosphere2 _________ Curt  | 
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07-16-2008, 09:56 AM
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| | Flamingo Tongue
Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Parksville, BC
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90 Gal, 30 gal sump w/fuge Mag 9.5, CPR OF, JBJ ATO, 2 Koralia 4's, Euro Reef RS135, Phosban 150, 90 lbs LR, 2x250 MH+4x65PC and MoonLights. Emp Angel, Hippo Tang, Sixline Wrasse, Perc, Naked Clown, Naso Tang, Lawnmower Blenny, Green Mandarin, Pearly jawfish, Flame Angel, cleaner shrimp, coral banded, BIG cleanup crew, Some Zoo's, RBTA, duncan, SPS..... | |
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07-16-2008, 10:05 AM
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| | Coral Banded Shrimp
Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Chesterfield, VA Age: 21
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Originally Posted by inwall75 | i think i could fix it lol _________ 
if your puffer lets you pet him it could mean two things
A. hes really smart and realizes your no threat
B. hes a bit slow
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07-16-2008, 10:08 AM
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| | Astrea Snail
Join Date: Jul 2008
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Originally Posted by sostoudt but i may be wrong about the skimmate why dont you drink a little and see how you feel lol. |
Oooooh h h h h ooooooo, easy there skipper, we dont have to go, ahem, overboard with it! I sure dont want to be the tester for that theory, lol.
Yes, i am sure we have looked into a lot of different things and spent/spend a lot of money on water quality. We have a fuge to take care of 20% volume of flow, and, since you have to use slow flow, of course you cant circulate, in my case, 1340GPH and have a fuge working properly. So... I thought that since you dump OUT skimmer poo, why not dump it into the fuge to decompose.
And like I said too, lots of food does go into the tank to feed the fish, so, something may have to be removed to keep a balance. Also thought maybe one could take all that extra and turn it into something good. Reefing is a wonderful fun loving science project.  | |
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07-16-2008, 10:10 AM
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| | Giant Squid
Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Miami Age: 39
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Originally Posted by phoenixhieghts To me that sounds pointless - why skim it out if your just gonna throw it back in?
it kinda makes no sense. | I agree with this statement and of Jason's. If your going to pour the waste from the skimmer back into the system, then why have a skimmer in the first place. Thats like going to the bathroom and eating what your body just through out. Sorry for the mental picture. Luna _________ 9YR OLD 90G 30G w/d Mag18 150G skimmer 692w MH,yel&kole tang,foxface,midas&convict blenny,B&G chromies,Blk/yel fin chromie blackcap,nemo,neon goby,6line; Blastomussa Merleti,Acan ,BUBBLE,Torch,LTA, Goniopora(2), Acropora(2),Brain, Moon, assort zoas, yel& G star polyps, R&G open brain, P&B ricordia, montiporas, cup&candy corals, enias,B/G mush,flower ane(2), cherry red mussa, dusters,cleaning crew  | 
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07-16-2008, 10:23 AM
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| | 3reef Sponsor
Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Va/Ct
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Originally Posted by sikpupy With the theory "what goes in the tank, stays in the tank" I was wondering.... If we tanke out the skimmer goo and remove it, doesnt that upset the biological circle of life? According to people like Tangster, which I dont question, and, supporting his theory, the skimmer goo should be recycled, somehow. | You never ever heard me say anything like that, Hell I tell anyone who will listen to get the best skimmer you can get and get it Going asap. And then toss that waste out. I do say the plants in the fuge will lower the need for a skimmer but they can't do the whole job the skimmer can . You start tossing the waste back into the tank then you are doomed to huge problems . NEVER EVER EVER EVER POUR THE SKIMMER'S COLLECTION CUP WASTE BACK INTO THE SYSTEM THE SINK OR TOILET IS THE ONLY PLACE I'D POUR IT OUT INTO . _________ Some of the world's greatest feats were accomplished by people not smart enough to know they were impossible (Doug Larson) | |
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07-16-2008, 10:32 AM
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| | Gnarly Old Codfish
Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Silverdale, Washington Age: 59
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Originally Posted by Tangster You never ever heard me say anything like that, Hell I tell anyone who will listen to get the best skimmer you can get and get it Going asap. And then toss that waste out. I do say the plants in the fuge will lower the need for a skimmer but they can't do the whole job the skimmer can . You start tossing the waste back into the tank then you are doomed to huge problems .
NEVER EVER EVER EVER POUR THE SKIMMER'S COLLECTION CUP WASTE BACK INTO THE SYSTEM THE SINK OR TOILET IS THE ONLY PLACE I'D POUR IT OUT INTO . | I guess that makes answer to this post pretty clear!
Have long thought skimmer waste should be great stuff for fertilizing plants...but issue of salt buildup over time probably makes it not a good idea.
Could try drinking it. Likely lots of good protein in it. - Many people in world drinking much worse. (Not to mention many health food whacko's...  ) _________ AG "125," AquaC EV 180, 30 gal sump, "SCWD", 80 lbs LR, CoralSeaLife "Moonlite" Hood, PFO 250W HQI Mini-Pendant (SPS HQI 14000k bulb)
12 Gallon NanoCube - 24w stock PC 50/50 light "...nothing good ever happens fast in a reef tank, only bad things happen fast..."
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07-16-2008, 10:32 AM
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| | Sailfin Tang
Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: St. Louis
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The oceans have the abyssal plains and oceanic trenches for final decomposition. Many of these trenches are so deep that we can't even send a submarine that far down.
What Walter Adey proved with his failed Biosphere 2 (as well as the misguided advice with Karen Loveland in Dyamic Aqauria) is that our tanks don't even remotely operate as a full ecosystem.
Healthy reefs are oligotrophic (nutrient-limited) yet are the most productive ecosystems on the earth. They are even more productive than tropical rainforests. Those are obviously complete opposite of each other so how can that be. We, for one thing, nutrients are very tightly cycled with all of the fauna, flora, and bacteria. For another thing, they have the equivalent of a 100% waterchange all day long everyday. We cannot even come close to building a full ecosystem in our tanks and we cannot match the waterchanges that happen on a reef. A clean reef tank is a cesspool compared to a healthy reef. | |
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07-16-2008, 10:56 AM
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| | Giant Squid
Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: TN Age: 31
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Comparing our Tanks to the worlds Oceans is comparing apples to oranges. Two totally different things. Ever notice the foam at the beach? What do you think that is? The beach is the oceans protein skimmer and it also works as wet/dry filter with the waves.
This pic shows the natural occurance in Australia...(I for sure wouldnt be playing in that)  _________ Got Questions? Need Answers?
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07-16-2008, 10:58 AM
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#20 (permalink)
| | 3reef Moderator |
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Originally Posted by Tangster You never ever heard me say anything like that, Hell I tell anyone who will listen to get the best skimmer you can get and get it Going asap. And then toss that waste out. I do say the plants in the fuge will lower the need for a skimmer but they can't do the whole job the skimmer can . You start tossing the waste back into the tank then you are doomed to huge problems .
NEVER EVER EVER EVER POUR THE SKIMMER'S COLLECTION CUP WASTE BACK INTO THE SYSTEM THE SINK OR TOILET IS THE ONLY PLACE I'D POUR IT OUT INTO . | So what are you trying to say 
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