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05-11-2007, 08:10 AM
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| | Astrea Snail
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 |  Refugium ??
I am wanting to add a refugium to my new(and first)55 gal. setup. I am going to try to DIY it using a 20gal. tank. The question I have is can't I incorparote the skimmer, heater, and sump pump all in this refugium?? The refugium will be under the main tank. Will the sump pump pull the water from the main tank into the refugium?? and how does it move accross the refugium and back into the main tank?? My plans are to have the heater in the center which will be the actully refugium, and the skimmer in the last chamber before going back to the main tank. Does this sound like a good plan?? will it work?? and how about the water pumping to and from the refugium?? Thanks  | 
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05-11-2007, 08:32 AM
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| | Coral Banded Shrimp
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To start if your tank isn't drilled you'll need an overflow box to get the water out of the tank and into the sump/fuge. The water will then flow through the fuge and be pumped back into the tank.
The only problem I see with your plan is running the skimmer last. You'll want to run this before the fuge becasue the skimmer will kill all of the pods and things you'll be growing in the fuge.
Hope that at least gives you some starting help! Good luck! _________ Kris
180 gallon AGA display, 2 250 MH, 1 400 MH, 2 65 PC, AAT moonlight, DIY wet dry, sump, and fuge, G2 skimmer, KNOP C calcium reactor, auto top off, dual pump closed loop, Oceans Motions valve, phosphate reactor, fuidized sand filter, Lighthouse controller keeping it all in check.  My 180 Tank Thread | |
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05-11-2007, 12:17 PM
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| | Astrea Snail
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So what you are saying is when the water comes out of the tank via the overflow, it should go thru the first chamber with the skimmer in it, then over the baffle into the fuge, the heater will in the fuge, then over the baffles and into the sump chamber. This portion the the fuge is where the pump is to push the water back into the tank. Do I have the right idea of how it is supposed to work?? | |
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05-11-2007, 02:45 PM
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| | Giant Squid
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Yes! You also need a pump to work the skimmer! You will need to make sure the skimmer will fit in the sump ok and with enough room for you to have easy access to your skimmate cup and cleaning purposes! Also, skimmers have different (footprints) size of the base and you will have to make sure all the equipment will fit in the sump along with the skimmer and two pumps!!!! IMO, a refugium is going to be out of the question... I would suggest going with either a bigger tank or a hang on fuge!!!! _________ 125gal.w/Mag9.5 return(dual megaflow)>Mag7 pump Aqua Cev180skimmer.Wave2k Hamilton Reefstar(2)250watthqi(mh)pend.a Yellow, Naso Tang Red Lip Blenny Percula Clown Demoiselles Niger Trigger F. Wrasses Ceriantharia Orn.Shrimp and Stars Hermits Queen Conch asst. snails> Stars Zoos shrooms Montipora Brains Gorgonians Favia Turbinaria(large+small polyp) Acropora Xenia Tridacna (CroceaMaximaSquamosa) Leathers <35+75gal.reef tank as well>
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05-11-2007, 10:33 PM
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| | Torch Coral
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use a 30g long as a refugium and sump if it will fit under your 55g. _________ 75g reef with Nova Extreme 8 bulb HO T-5 lighting, refuge, Remora skimmer, DSB, Seio powerheads, Acro's, LPS corals, assorted zoo's & mushrooms, Yellow Tang, Maroon Clown, Blue Cleaner Goby , Cleaner, Fire and Sexy Shrimp, Coco Worm, T.Crocea Clam, Derasa Clam
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05-14-2007, 06:00 AM
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| | Astrea Snail
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If I use a 30 g, long or even a 40 g, which I may have the oppurtunity to get it free, I shuold be able to put the sump, skimmer and refugium in the same tank, right?? That is what I would like to do, if so in what order should they be in, in other words the water comes from the tank and into the"???" then into "???" etc. Thanks | |
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05-14-2007, 06:21 AM
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| | Great White Shark
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Try this! If you put the return in the middle and the fuge on one end you can use a T-valve to slow the flow down then it will just drain into your return pump section. The remander of the flow will go into the intake area where the skimmer is. Just make sure you make your retrun pump area kind of large because you will see all your water evaporation in that area of your tank.  _________ Scott 265g (Peninsula)
3x400w MH's, 4x95w Actinics, AAT Lunar Lights, OM 4-way CL, PM Bullet 3 Skimmer, WavySea Plus for return, AAT Kalk Reactor, KNOP Ca Reactor w/PM Second Chamber, TradeWinds Chiller, ACIII Controller, Oceanus ATO, PM PO4 Reactor, 75g Sump, 30g Fuge Born March 5, 2007 My 265 Gal. Tank Thread " REAL TIME TANK STATS "   | |
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05-14-2007, 06:22 AM
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| | Eyelash Blennie
Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Lakeland, Fl
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Melevsreef.com | A simple sump project
Good Pictures and a great site for sump/refugium ideas.
Jim
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90 Gallon glass, 135#'s of rock and 2" sand. 2-250w 20k XM metal halides. 2-95 watt actinic VHO, 4 powerheads, Coralife skimmer. Maroon Gold Striped Clown, Blue Chromis, Kole Tang, Pygmy Angel, Serpent Star, Brittle Star,Gorgonians, Mushrooms, Yellow Polyps, Turbo Snails & Blue Legged Hermits. 20 gal sump with Caulerpa, Mag 7 return pump. | |
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05-14-2007, 06:56 AM
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| | Astrea Snail
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OK Otty, if I read your diagram right, the water comes from the tank and goes into the skimmer chamber and also into the refug at the same time, the refug's flow is gated down with the ball valve. Both the skimmer side and the refug side dump into the center chamber and retuned to the tank via a pump. Is this right or am I misreading or misunderstanding something. Thanks | |
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05-14-2007, 07:10 AM
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| | Great White Shark
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You are correct. That way you can slow the flow to the fuge down to about 1/10 of the tanks volume per hr. 100 gal tank = 10 gph flow across the fuge. A good rule of thumb is 1/10 the tank volume for the size of the refugium too. Just remember about the return pump chamber because that is where you will see all the tanks water evaporation at so if it's not very big and you don't have a auto top off then your pump will starve for water if you forget about it for a couple of days. | |
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