Copper / Live Rock ...

bernokarl · 01-25-2011, 01:09 PM

Ok : I KNOW if you copper live rock it will be destroid/dead . I am not a scientist and I suspect no one else here is either . SO : If I weed the copper 100% out my water ~~

( I understand it will never come off the rock that was present at the time of copper in water because it attaches it's self )

~~ And add A new piece of live rock , will it sustain the benificial bacteria or will it die just because at one time there was copper in the water ?

I would bet the new live rock will live and the copperd old rock will never turn live again (but I do not know) I dont have a microscope or the patience to test , Lets talk ...

bvb-etf-luva · 01-25-2011, 04:42 PM

dont use copper in the tank, in the future you are going to want to buy corals and you wont be able to because copper will stay in the tank forever, ow good its cleaned

SushiGirl · 01-25-2011, 05:12 PM

You're half right. The old rock will never be live again. But the new live rock won't stay live with anything still in the tank that will leach copper.

And actually I'm pretty sure there's quite a few scientists here

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TheSaltwaterGuy · 01-25-2011, 05:13 PM

Dude just don't use copper in the DT

PetMother · 01-25-2011, 05:20 PM

Don't do it. Copper stays on the old rock but if new rock is placed in, the copper will leach and have horrid effects on the new rock. If snail or other inverts are placed in the aquarium they won't last long either.

bernokarl · 01-25-2011, 05:25 PM

So how many parts per millon can be held in a tank with out harming corl or crabs?? . I wish I had the resources to run some big bad test ...
I would thaink that after years or meny power washings that the ppm of copper would be so minute that it would not matter

SushiGirl · 01-25-2011, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bernokarl

So how many parts per millon can be held in a tank with out harming corl or crabs??

What's the point? If you're using it to get rid of parasites, then any amount too small to kill the coral or crabs would do nothing to the parasites either.

Power washings won't get rid of copper that has leached into rock. Leaching means the rock has soaked it up. It doesn't just wash off.

Corailline · 01-25-2011, 07:49 PM

I once did a survey regarding use of a tank after treatment with copper. The vast majority of those that responded stated that they had gone on to use the tank for corals and inverts without incidents of copper toxicity.

Would I risk using rock that had been used in a tank treated with copper, probably not. But I would use a tank that was used when treating with copper (not a quarantine), no problem. I believe the concept of copper leaching out of the sealant/silcone is a myth.

broc1093 · 01-25-2011, 08:20 PM

I have a FOWLR tank About 4 months ago had a bad case of ich, not knowing I added copper to my tank and it killed my live rock and urchins but my emerald crab lived.2 months ago I moved my tank and only replaced the water. It caused a cycle again but my rock if fine now. I added a few pieces of new rock and everything looks good again, coralline growth ect. So I guess you can get over the effects and rock can still be good. I havnt had problems ever since it just cycled again

Corailline · 01-25-2011, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by broc1093

I have a FOWLR tank About 4 months ago had a bad case of ich, not knowing I added copper to my tank and it killed my live rock and urchins but my emerald crab lived.2 months ago I moved my tank and only replaced the water. It caused a cycle again but my rock if fine now. I added a few pieces of new rock and everything looks good again, coralline growth ect. So I guess you can get over the effects and rock can still be good. I havnt had problems ever since it just cycled again

Interesting and good to know.

01-25-2011, 01:09 PM	#1
bernokarl Astrea Snail Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: New Haven MI Age: 33 Posts: 35 Skin: Mint Karma: 1	Copper / Live Rock ... Ok : I KNOW if you copper live rock it will be destroid/dead . I am not a scientist and I suspect no one else here is either . SO : If I weed the copper 100% out my water ~~ ( I understand it will never come off the rock that was present at the time of copper in water because it attaches it's self ) ~~ And add A new piece of live rock , will it sustain the benificial bacteria or will it die just because at one time there was copper in the water ? I would bet the new live rock will live and the copperd old rock will never turn live again (but I do not know) I dont have a microscope or the patience to test , Lets talk ... Last edited by bernokarl; 01-25-2011 at 05:04 PM.

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01-25-2011, 04:42 PM	#2
bvb-etf-luva Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: denver Age: 17 Posts: 2,336 Skin: Mint Karma: 353660	dont use copper in the tank, in the future you are going to want to buy corals and you wont be able to because copper will stay in the tank forever, ow good its cleaned

01-25-2011, 05:12 PM	#3
SushiGirl Barracuda Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,457 Skin: Mint Karma: 3090797	You're half right. The old rock will never be live again. But the new live rock won't stay live with anything still in the tank that will leach copper. And actually I'm pretty sure there's quite a few scientists here .

01-25-2011, 05:13 PM	#4
TheSaltwaterGuy Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: New York Age: 16 Posts: 2,163 Skin: Dark Karma: 469143	Dude just don't use copper in the DT

01-25-2011, 05:20 PM	#5
PetMother Feather Star Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Somerset, WI Age: 27 Posts: 750 Skin: Mint Karma: 478687	Don't do it. Copper stays on the old rock but if new rock is placed in, the copper will leach and have horrid effects on the new rock. If snail or other inverts are placed in the aquarium they won't last long either.

01-25-2011, 05:25 PM	#6
bernokarl Astrea Snail Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: New Haven MI Age: 33 Posts: 35 Skin: Mint Karma: 1	So how many parts per millon can be held in a tank with out harming corl or crabs?? . I wish I had the resources to run some big bad test ... I would thaink that after years or meny power washings that the ppm of copper would be so minute that it would not matter

01-25-2011, 07:49 PM	#8
Corailline 3reef Moderator Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: It is a dry heat, yeah right ! Posts: 13,798 Skin: Mint Karma: 125923059	I once did a survey regarding use of a tank after treatment with copper. The vast majority of those that responded stated that they had gone on to use the tank for corals and inverts without incidents of copper toxicity. Would I risk using rock that had been used in a tank treated with copper, probably not. But I would use a tank that was used when treating with copper (not a quarantine), no problem. I believe the concept of copper leaching out of the sealant/silcone is a myth.

01-25-2011, 08:20 PM	#9
broc1093 Astrea Snail Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Elkhart, Indiana Age: 20 Posts: 30 Skin: Mint Karma: 16747	I have a FOWLR tank About 4 months ago had a bad case of ich, not knowing I added copper to my tank and it killed my live rock and urchins but my emerald crab lived.2 months ago I moved my tank and only replaced the water. It caused a cycle again but my rock if fine now. I added a few pieces of new rock and everything looks good again, coralline growth ect. So I guess you can get over the effects and rock can still be good. I havnt had problems ever since it just cycled again