Totally Aerobic Nitrogen Cycle - Page 2

inwall75 · 02-15-2006, 06:53 PM

I'm more than willing to discuss this issue with you. However, I always like to know who I'm speaking with. Are you an owner of HDL (Hiatt Distributors Limited) or a dealer for HDL?

newagereefer · 02-15-2006, 07:42 PM

I am small retailer & wholesaler in L.A., I have no interest of selling anything to anyone on this board. I only want to bring up the awareness to follow reefer about a new possibility doing thinks different on keeping marine tanks. So, what issue would you like to discuss and who are you?
I am assuming we are going to discuss the issue in open forum right?

Robert

P.S. I really like the spelcheck feature on the board.

inwall75 · 02-15-2006, 08:29 PM

Thanks for being upfront and open. It is truly appreciated.

Let me try to explain the reason for my question. It truly is not accusatory but I realize it appears so. One time, I suspected that a new member on a different board was an owner or partial-owner of a company, I sent him a Private Message to find out if my suspicions were true. He verified that he was. I told him that it's important that he let people know that he was the owner when he posts. He chose not to follow my recommendation. Then when it was found out later on that he was the manufacturer of the product he praised, "All hell broke loose". I mean it got UGLY (on a board that was known for 'niceness"). I don't want to see that happen here on 3Reef. I also was curious because if you were connected, I thought you might have some inside info for me.

Who am I? I am the ULTIMATE GEEK!!!

I'm a CPA from St. Louis and I'm also a financial planner. I have no financial interest in the hobby at the moment. I've been approached by several people to buy a hobby-related business but a recent divorce has made that an impossibility for the moment.

IMPORTANT DISCLOSURE
I've kept this product on hand before in case a large fish dies. (That's how I knew who HDL was).

However, when it comes to the carbon, I was hoping you had inside info because most pelletized carbons arenot very effective in submerged environments. If you have any inside info (that wouldn't be a trade secret), please let us know.

newagereefer · 02-15-2006, 09:59 PM

Well, I am not connected to HDL in anyway, however, during a whole year experimenting and testing I got to know the person who invented the process and the product very well. Till this day he still won't show me how the tri-base carbon was made, I guess it's a trade secret.

You are right about most pelletized carbons are not very effective in submerged environments, that is why they need to be replace once a month. I can only guess the tri-base carbon was made differently from other carbon, 2-5 years inside the canister filter without need to be replace is a long time. I didn't believe him at first, but the tri-base carbon I have inside the canister filter its been use for a year now, I haven't had the need to replace it. All I do is back-flush the filter once a month to get the dirt and debris out that was it. Even if the carbon only last a year, it still far better then other carbon that has to replace every month.

trying it again · 02-15-2006, 10:12 PM

Is this the same carbon your using??http://saltaquarium.about.com/gi/dyn...5Ftribase.html
...This looks like your system...http://saltaquarium.about.com/librar...y/aa080598.htm

newagereefer · 02-15-2006, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trying it again

Is this the same carbon your using??http://saltaquarium.about.com/library/weekly/aa080598.htm[/url]

Yes, you got it, except I didn't use the PVC tube as a filter. It may look easy on paper, in reality its a lot harder to actually made one out of PVC tube. But, it can be a great DIY project, it would certainly save you a lot of $$$ for not have to buy a filter.

Big Wally B · 02-16-2006, 09:42 AM

I do not use the word loosely. Although I am an engineer, (electrical) I can be naive about chemisty in the hopes of defeating entropy. I have tried Tri-based Pelletized Carbon and the Right Now Bacteria, yada yada. My tank followed the normal cycle and after a year I thru all of it away. This is my experience. Take it for $.02. Sorry if I offended anyone, except the charlatan.

NUGIO · 02-16-2006, 10:35 AM

Big W B : can you elaborate on your experience using this type of system?

Jason McKenzie · 02-16-2006, 12:14 PM

Sound very Zeovitian. elements are very similar

http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ca/cav1i3...tem/zeovit.htm

Jason

newagereefer · 02-16-2006, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Wally B

I do not use the word loosely. Although I am an engineer, (electrical) I can be naive about chemisty in the hopes of defeating entropy. I have tried Tri-based Pelletized Carbon and the Right Now Bacteria, yada yada. My tank followed the normal cycle and after a year I thru all of it away. This is my experience. Take it for $.02. Sorry if I offended anyone, except the charlatan.

Yes, Big W B can you give more detail on why doesn't the tri-base carbon and RN bacteria work for you. I am interest to know how your system was setup when you were using the product, flow rate, lb of carbon use, etc....

Thanks

02-15-2006, 06:53 PM	#11 (permalink)
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02-15-2006, 10:12 PM	#15 (permalink)
trying it again Skunk Shrimp Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Monmouth County, New Jersey Age: 52 Posts: 259 Skin: Mint Karma: 614	Is this the same carbon your using??http://saltaquarium.about.com/gi/dyn...5Ftribase.html ...This looks like your system...http://saltaquarium.about.com/librar...y/aa080598.htm _________ SETUP-3Reef shirt&bumper sticker,90gal Tank, 250 watt Heater, . 40lbs live sand , 40lbs L/R - 4x65watt PC , Mag12 return pump, 30 gal sump/fuge FISH- Yellow Watchman, 2 Green Chromis,Maroon clown, squirrel fish, Lawnmower Blenny,Fox Face CORAL-Toadstool , INVERTS-1 bristle star, 10 mixed snails, Last edited by trying it again; 02-15-2006 at 10:21 PM.

02-16-2006, 09:42 AM	#17 (permalink)
Big Wally B Spanish Shawl Nudibranch Join Date: May 2005 Location: Pgh. Pa. Age: 51 Posts: 82 Skin: Mint Karma: 24	charlatan I do not use the word loosely. Although I am an engineer, (electrical) I can be naive about chemisty in the hopes of defeating entropy. I have tried Tri-based Pelletized Carbon and the Right Now Bacteria, yada yada. My tank followed the normal cycle and after a year I thru all of it away. This is my experience. Take it for $.02. Sorry if I offended anyone, except the charlatan. _________ Glass 90 and 110, skimmer in both 30 gal. sumps, 1150 GPH, plus a 75 gal fuge!! Yellow tang, several damsels, 2 lg flower anems, brown & rose BTA's (8" dia.) with 3 perculas, 5 ricordia, dozens shrooms, dozens of yellow, brown and green polyps, lots of snails, hermits, bugs and 3 inch worms. Mangroves, caulerpa, LR, LS, pics coming

02-16-2006, 10:35 AM	#18 (permalink)
NUGIO Bubble Tip Anemone Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: MO VAL, CA Age: 36 Posts: 659 Skin: Mint Karma: 1945	Big W B : can you elaborate on your experience using this type of system? _________ 135g 3" SB,200lbs LR , 8 54w T-5s,40g refugium, EV-180 PS ,Mag 18 ret,1 maxi w/mod1600,1 koralia 4, air water and ice 5 stage RO/DI,RKL 3 controller,

02-16-2006, 12:14 PM	#19 (permalink)
Jason McKenzie 3reef Moderator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC,Canada Posts: 4,885 Skin: Classic Karma: 25308	Sound very Zeovitian. elements are very similar http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ca/cav1i3...tem/zeovit.htm Jason _________ started 8/7/02 370G 3x400W MH + 8X36W T5. 30G Refugium, Bubble king 300Ext, Profilux with 3x Doser, 2x Wavy Seas for return. OM 4-Way Closed loop. My Tank Thread Try a Search to see if your question has already been posted My Tank Blog

02-15-2006, 07:42 PM	#12 (permalink)
newagereefer Astrea Snail Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 49 Skin: Mint Karma: 1	I am small retailer & wholesaler in L.A., I have no interest of selling anything to anyone on this board. I only want to bring up the awareness to follow reefer about a new possibility doing thinks different on keeping marine tanks. So, what issue would you like to discuss and who are you? I am assuming we are going to discuss the issue in open forum right? Robert P.S. I really like the spelcheck feature on the board.

02-15-2006, 08:29 PM	#13 (permalink)
inwall75 3reef Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: America Posts: 4,553 Skin: Classic Karma: 60957	Thanks for being upfront and open. It is truly appreciated. Let me try to explain the reason for my question. It truly is not accusatory but I realize it appears so. One time, I suspected that a new member on a different board was an owner or partial-owner of a company, I sent him a Private Message to find out if my suspicions were true. He verified that he was. I told him that it's important that he let people know that he was the owner when he posts. He chose not to follow my recommendation. Then when it was found out later on that he was the manufacturer of the product he praised, "All hell broke loose". I mean it got UGLY (on a board that was known for 'niceness"). I don't want to see that happen here on 3Reef. I also was curious because if you were connected, I thought you might have some inside info for me. Who am I? I am the ULTIMATE GEEK!!! I'm a CPA from St. Louis and I'm also a financial planner. I have no financial interest in the hobby at the moment. I've been approached by several people to buy a hobby-related business but a recent divorce has made that an impossibility for the moment. IMPORTANT DISCLOSURE I've kept this product on hand before in case a large fish dies. (That's how I knew who HDL was). However, when it comes to the carbon, I was hoping you had inside info because most pelletized carbons arenot very effective in submerged environments. If you have any inside info (that wouldn't be a trade secret), please let us know.

02-15-2006, 09:59 PM	#14 (permalink)
newagereefer Astrea Snail Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 49 Skin: Mint Karma: 1	Well, I am not connected to HDL in anyway, however, during a whole year experimenting and testing I got to know the person who invented the process and the product very well. Till this day he still won't show me how the tri-base carbon was made, I guess it's a trade secret. You are right about most pelletized carbons are not very effective in submerged environments, that is why they need to be replace once a month. I can only guess the tri-base carbon was made differently from other carbon, 2-5 years inside the canister filter without need to be replace is a long time. I didn't believe him at first, but the tri-base carbon I have inside the canister filter its been use for a year now, I haven't had the need to replace it. All I do is back-flush the filter once a month to get the dirt and debris out that was it. Even if the carbon only last a year, it still far better then other carbon that has to replace every month.

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