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03-10-2008, 11:19 AM
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| | Plankton
Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Danville, IL
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 |  I lost my Bangai Cardinal!
4 days ago, I noticed my Bangai lost part of its upper tail. Prior to that, it seemed to not eating well. A day later, the entire upper tail was gone. I thought the fish was attacked by something and I suspected the Sally Lightfoot crab that I added about one month ago. The crab was quite small when I got it but it molted once and is almost 50% larger than its original size.
First picture below showed what the Bangai looked like 4 days ago. I finally caught the fish and put it in the QT tank 2 days ago. While in the process of transferring the fish to the QT tank, it jumped out and landed on the floor  . More stress to the fish. To add to the injury, my heater in the QT tank quit working and the tank temp dropped to 71F the next morning. 
So the fish had a really bad start in the QT tank. While in the QT tank and without any treatment, the lower tail gradually dispeared in front of my eyes and getting bloody. (2nd picture)
I decided to treat the fish with Melafix as I found out from the product website that it is safe for marine fish. I had the product for my pond fish. I used 0.5ml for the 5 gal QT tank. The fish didn't like that at all. This morning it was dead  .
I really feel sad about this as I have this fish for over 7 months. It is one of the most beautiful fish that I owned. It tripled its size in that period of time.
Just want to share my sad story. May be this adds to my experience of reef keeping.
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Simon
Tank -92g corner tank, 20g sump, ASM G2X protein skimmer.
Lighting - Current Sundial 250W HQI MH, 64W Dual actinic, 32W 50/50 T5.
Fish - 1 Indonesian Yellow Tang, 1 Regal Blue Tang, 2 False Percula Crowns, 2 Bangai Cardinals, 4 Blue-Green Chromis, 1 mandarin, 1 Cherub Angelfish.
Inverts - 1 cleaner shrimp, 10 hermit crabs, 3 turbo snails, 1 emerald crab, 1 Sally lightfoot crab | 
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03-10-2008, 11:27 AM
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| | Giant Squid
Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Miami, FL Age: 39
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sorry for loss, karma _________ 9YR OLD 90G/55g custom sump/refug Mag18 Aquac 180skimmer 692w MH AC jr,yel&kole tang,midas&convict blenny,B&G chromies,Blk/yel fin chromie blackcap,nemo,neon goby,6line; Blastomussa Merleti,Acan ,BUBBLE,Torch,LTA, Acropora(2) Moon, assort zoas, yel& G star polyps, P&B ricordia, montiporas, cup&candy corals, xenias,B/G mush,flower ane(2), cherry red mussa, dusters,cleaning crew..  | |
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03-10-2008, 11:44 AM
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| | Montipora Digitata
Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Columbus, Indiana Age: 24
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Any ideas as to why this happened?? Anyone??
Sorry for your loss, karma to ya! _________ 55 gallon reef aquarium, 85 lbs. live rock, 2 1/2" sandbed, False Percula Clown & Foxface, Tetratec PF500 filter, 2 110 watt URI Super Actinic VHO actinics, 2 250 watt metal halides with Reef Optix 2 reflectors powered by Blue Wave 3 ballast Born 1/3/08 My Tank Thread My Tank Video  | |
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03-10-2008, 05:40 PM
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| | Giant Squid
Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: niles, ohio Age: 32
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Sorry for your loss>>>>That stinks.... _________ My Tank Thread...... EST. 10/30/07 5.5 gal, 72watt's of pc's, rio skimmer, hob rated at 40 gal, stealth heater, b/w aussie clown, emerald crab, turbo, bumble bee, astrea, and nassarius snails, aussie open brain, pink birdsnest, wallhammer, multiple acro's, numerous monti's, zoa's, palys, ppd's, duncans, mint gsp's, reg gsp's, blue clove polyps, grn bali slimer, and tons of ppl sponges. | |
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03-10-2008, 05:52 PM
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| | Great Blue Whale
Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sun River,Oregon (Bend) Age: 35
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Sally Lightfoot's can turn into mean buggers when they mature. I'd get it out. They say that it is almost impossible to catch them. Sorry for the loss. I've never had luck with the B. Cardinal. It's one of my favorite fish. | |
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03-10-2008, 06:19 PM
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| | Scooter Blennie
Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: South Florida Age: 43
Posts: 1,248
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That is a sad story. When I decided to go reef back in Nov., I bought a pair of Banggais; and they've been my only fish since (except for the ill-fated spotted green mandarin with a penchant for carpeting I posted about). They've been the dream couple. Too bad they're not mated. They are docile, friendly, and are exemplary citizens in my 55 gal. I read somewhere in a tank of the month that someone's opinion was to fill the tank with corals, and then add fish to the established reef. I liked that advice, and I'm taking it. I'll be at least another year before I'm satisfied with the coral population in my tank, as right now I only have a shroom covered rock, a zoa rock, a yellow polyp, and a green star polyp. I'm going for frogspawn and/or hammer next.
Simonskl, do you have any fish that you suspect may have harrassed the banggai? Are you pretty confident it's the crab? I'm a bit leery about crabs. Hermits are safe enough, but just about every other crab I've had has been known to take an opportunistic chunk of flesh if presented with the chance.
Simonskl, get another one, but not before ridding yourself of the problem.
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90G display tank. Kent Phos Reactor running carbon and ROWAPhos, Coralife 225 Skimmer, Typhoon 5 Stage RO/DI, 20 Gal Sump/Refugium with Chaeto/Caulerpa lit opposite daylight cycle. Coralife 2x150MH, 14K + 2x96W PC Actinics, Ecotech Vortech propeller pump, Hydor Koralia #2.
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03-13-2008, 11:14 AM
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| | Peppermint Shrimp
Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Seattle area Age: 36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ReefSparky  Simonskl, do you have any fish that you suspect may have harrassed the banggai? Are you pretty confident it's the crab? I'm a bit leery about crabs. Hermits are safe enough, but just about every other crab I've had has been known to take an opportunistic chunk of flesh if presented with the chance.
Simonskl, get another one, but not before ridding yourself of the problem. | If given the choice on a crab I'd go with a sally lightfoot, their claws are short to the point of uselessness for anything other than rock and bed grazing. I have a yellowtail that chases my sally out of his rock arch and the sally wants nothing to do with them.
And I've yet to notice the sally even move her claws above her mouth. lol
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Marty
72g Bow Front, 2x250w MH (10 hrs), 4x65 Act (14 hrs), 6xDual Moonlights (10 hrs), 300 gph from cannister filter and powerhead, Prizm hang-on protein skimmer, 50 lbs LR, CC Bed
Yellow Tang, 2 Clowns, Bubble Tip Anemone, 2 Yellow Tail, Humbug, White Spot, Ornate Goby, Emerald Crab, Sally Lightfoot Crab, 2 Blue Legged Hermits, 15 Scarlet Hermits, +Snails with no names (margaritas, turbos, astraeas) | |
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03-17-2008, 12:07 PM
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| | Plankton
Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chicago, IL
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The exact same thing is happening to my cardinal. I got the tank from someone else last week. He had the tank for over two years so it is a pretty established tank. I noticed a couple of days after the move that the cardinal's tail was missing... the whole thing. At first there were a couple of "tendons" coming out of the tail in the natural V shape, but now those are completely gone. The injury would darken like it was healing, then it would be red/bloody again. I thought maybe the two clowns I have were attacking him or maybe the crab got a hold of him. I put him in a screened cage (for breeding or isolation purposes) that is still in the main tank (I don't have a QT) over two days ago. The injury is still red/bloody and he isn't showing any interest in food nor is he moving around much. Even at night when the lights are off he doesn't move or eat. The previous owner had him for a long time so I thought maybe he was injured in the move. Anyone have any ideas on what has happend? Is it an injury or some kind of disease? Is there any chance the tail will grow back if he makes it? Sorry for your loss Simon, I hope I have better luck. | |
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03-17-2008, 12:20 PM
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| | Giant Squid
Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: TN Age: 31
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I dont trust ANY crab. I will not have any crabs, not even hermits. _________ Got Questions? Need Answers?
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03-17-2008, 12:29 PM
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| | Stylophora
Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Quebec City
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sorry for your loss dude _________ 
55gl skimmerless, 80lbs live rock, DIY wavemaker running 3x MJ1200 with hydor deflector.
2 DIY fluidized reactors Carbon & ROWAphos
LIghts- 2x 50/50 atinics T10's , 2x life gro T10's ,
1x20,000K T12, 1x6,000K T10.
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