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03-08-2008, 11:24 AM
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| | Fire Worm
Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: North Carolina Age: 39
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    |  Is a canister filter necessary?
I currently run a canister (see sig) with Eheim Substrat Pro, a course filter pad, and a carbon pad.
Is this ok? Should I remove the Substrat Pro or just sell the canister filter all together and stay with just my Remora skimmer?
I have a HUGE algae problem and just trying to figure out everything that might be causing issues.
fyi, nitrite's are 0 and phosphates are 0. _________ Tank: 75g glass, AquaC Remora, Eheim Ecco Canister filter, Odyssea (2x250W MH, 4x65W actinics, 6 LEDs), 80lbs of live rock
Critters: 2 false percula clowns, blue damsel, lawnmower blenny, squirrel fish, 2 anthias, flame hawkfish, copper banded butterfly, coral banded shrimp, cleaner shrimp, fighting conch, condy anemone, and lots of misc snails
Corals: Green stripe mushrooms, blue mushrooms, candy cane, frogspawn, Green Zoanthids, star polyps, acropora, monipora
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03-08-2008, 11:39 AM
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| | Peppermint Shrimp
Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Detroit, Michigan
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i personaly dont like canisters, they seem to be good only for cleaning the water. a sump or a wet/dry would be better with a skimmer. just my .02
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03-08-2008, 10:08 PM
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| | Vlamingii Tang
Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: joliet,il Age: 41
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I currently run a canister
I have a HUGE algae problem
| the two go hand in hand Quote: |
fyi, nitrite's are 0 and phosphates are 0.
| with a major algae problem there going to be close to zero, there is also Si. boost your pH to rid of the algae.
a refugium will help alot, keep the skimmer running wet. and use rowaphos with carbon. wet/dry's with bio balls have no place in the coral world, but work great with fish
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03-09-2008, 07:21 AM
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| | Fire Worm
Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: North Carolina Age: 39
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Originally Posted by reef_guru  the two go hand in hand
with a major algae problem there going to be close to zero, there is also Si. boost your pH to rid of the algae.
a refugium will help alot, keep the skimmer running wet. and use rowaphos with carbon. wet/dry's with bio balls have no place in the coral world, but work great with fish | so just stop using the canister all together or remove the bio-ball material and fill it with carbon and rowaphas instead?
I am a little concerned my skimmer may not be big enough either...thinking I should have gone with the Remora Pro instead of the regular Remora. It pulls out tons of stuff though. Have to clean the cup almost daily. | |
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03-09-2008, 09:44 AM
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| | Vlamingii Tang
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so just stop using the canister all together or remove the bio-ball material and fill it with carbon and rowaphas instead?
| bio balls are for fish tanks, the carbon and rowaphos needs to be in there own little seperate container. either a filter bag or a reactor, i prefer a reactor. Phosphate Reactor | Phosphate Reactors | Reactors | Aquarium - ThatPetPlace.com
a sump with a fuge for a coral reef tank is beneficial, using the berlin method is also beneficial, which is what i use. the bio balls in the wet/dry can be replaced with live rock, if your wanting to keep your set up. shoot some pics under your tank so we can see whats going on. heres a tank im building making sps frag tank with pics
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03-09-2008, 06:06 PM
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| | Fire Worm
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Thanks, good reading there. I am planning on upgrading to a new tank sometime in the future, so don't want to drill any holes in this one (it's glass).
Plan to set-up the new tank the right way.
Anyway, this evening I completely cleaned out and bleached the canister filter and hoses. Rinsed everything off real good with RO water. Removed the "bio balls", filter media, and carbon and placed only a bag of marine carbon and a bag of Kent's phosphate remover.
The tubes where full of algae, which probably wasn't helping. Anyway, hoping it makes a difference. Set the skimmer to wet skim as well.
Using PH up to bring the ph up. What should I bring it up to?
Thanks for the help. | |
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03-09-2008, 06:08 PM
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| | Vlamingii Tang
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Using PH up to bring the ph up. What should I bring it up to?
| 8.5-8.6 should do the trick, but dont leave it there. 8.3 is nsw Quote: |
Anyway, this evening I completely cleaned out and bleached the canister filter and hoses. Rinsed everything off real good with RO water.
| i really hope you rinsed it really really really good. bleach and sw dont mix | |
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03-10-2008, 06:07 AM
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| | Fire Worm
Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: North Carolina Age: 39
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Originally Posted by reef_guru i really hope you rinsed it really really really good. bleach and sw dont mix | i did, even scrubbed it all off, and rinsed it again, all with RO water. i tried just fresh water, then vinegar, and the only thing that would clean up was bleach. I used it real weak and rinsed it like crazy.
Thanks for the ph, it's up to 8.5 right now. I'll leave it there for a bit and see how it does. | |
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03-10-2008, 08:45 AM
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| | Giant Squid
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I've said it once and i will say it again! Cannister filters are best for fresh and African tanks, not for Salt! Increased water flow, or to house carbon and live rock and alittle surface area and water volume increase is all!! I have never used a cannister for a reef or saltwater fish only tank ever with great success! _________ 125gal.w/Mag9.5 return(dual megaflow)>Mag7 pump Aqua Cev180skimmer.Wave2k Hamilton Reefstar(2)250watthqi(mh)pend.a Yellow, Naso Tang Red Lip Blenny Percula Clown Demoiselles Niger Trigger F. Wrasses Ceriantharia Orn.Shrimp and Stars Hermits Queen Conch asst. snails> Stars Zoos shrooms Montipora Brains Gorgonians Favia Turbinaria(large+small polyp) Acropora Xenia Tridacna (CroceaMaximaSquamosa) Leathers <35+75gal.reef tank as well> 
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03-10-2008, 09:22 AM
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| | Fire Worm
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Originally Posted by coral reefer I've said it once and i will say it again! Cannister filters are best for fresh and African tanks, not for Salt! Increased water flow, or to house carbon and live rock and alittle surface area and water volume increase is all!! I have never used a cannister for a reef or saltwater fish only tank ever with great success! | That is exactly how I am using it now, just for carbon, phosphate sponge and to great some flow.
Longer term plan is to get a new tank, maybe a 125, with sump & refugium and an in sump protein skimmer. Canister will go away then.
The carbon I put in there did clean the water up...just hope the algae starts to die off soon. | |
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