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03-13-2008, 11:26 AM
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| | Montipora Digitata
Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Baltimore, MD Age: 47
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   |  ICH...Ughhh
Ok, here is the situation...One of our tanks is a Aquapod 24 and we detected an outbreak of Ich. I removed all of the LR and left in a few pieces of base rock. I also took out most of the sand from the tank. I am storing the live rock and sand in a large bucket with sw and aeration...We are using Coppersafe to treat the tank.
Questions...
Once I have completed the treatment should I remove the rest of the sand and base rock before re-introducing the LR/LS?
Will the LR and LS be ok in the bucket with aeration for the 6 weeks that I will be treating the tank? _________ 72 gallon bowed 150lbs LR 60 lbs LS
1 Hawkfish
2 Percs
1 Kole Tang
Hippo Tang
Six Line Wrasse
Coral Banded Shrimp
Cleaner Shrimp
Leather Toadstool
Long Polyp Toadstool
Orange Sunshine Polyps
Montipora
Acropora
Frogspawn
29 gallon
1 Clown
1 Coral Beauty
1 Yellow Fin Fairy Wrasse
Cleaner Crew
24 FOWLR
Pearly Jawfish
Firefish
Starry Blenny
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03-13-2008, 11:27 AM
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| | 3reef Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Wethersfield, CT Age: 38
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May be a stupid question but is there copper in Coppersafe? | |
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03-13-2008, 11:33 AM
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| | Fire Goby
Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sun River,Oregon (Bend) Age: 34
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Why not use a simple, temporary QT set-up? Instead of quarantine for your sand and LR, quarantine the fish. While ich is a nightmare, copper is even worse. I don't like adding chemicals to my tank even if they say that they are reef safe. | 
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03-13-2008, 12:07 PM
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| | Sea Dragon
Join Date: May 2007 Location: Columbus Indiana
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The silicone seals in your tank are going to soak up that copper (if there is any) and leach it back into your tank over time... 
I've had really good luck with vitiman C tablets, garlic, and this http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem~SearchStr~Vitamin C~action~view~idProduct~KM3293~idCategory~FIADTECS ~category~Kent_Marine_Zoe_Marine_Vitamin_8_oz._Sal twater_Aquarium_Supplies_Additives_Trace_Elements_ Vitamin_Coral_Supplements~vendor~.html
Ich isn't the end of the world like most people think it is. If your fish are healthy then they should be able to fight it off like a common cold... _________ Kris
180 gallon AGA display, 2 250 MH, 1 400 MH, 2 65 PC, AAT moonlight, DIY wet dry, sump, and fuge, G2 skimmer, KNOP C calcium reactor, auto top off, dual pump closed loop, Oceans Motions valve, phosphate reactor, fuidized sand filter, Lighthouse controller keeping it all in check.  My 180 Tank Thread | |
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03-13-2008, 12:12 PM
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| | Peppermint Shrimp
Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Seattle area Age: 36
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I would soak the food in Seachem garlic guard and feed it for a week or two. Garlic is said to boost the fishes ammune system and can also kill intestinal worms. If the fish are strong the ich cannot take root. And if they don't find a host within 24 hrs (is that right?) they die.
Hope this helps.
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03-13-2008, 01:14 PM
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| | Sea Dragon
Join Date: May 2007 Location: Columbus Indiana
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Well Ich has a life cycle of 30 days so to kill them all you'd have to deprive them of a host for the entire life cycle. (you never know where they're at in the life cycle) Almost impossible without removing fish from the tank.
We can only see ich for one week of this cycle if memory serves me correctly.   
If I were you I'd QT the fish for no less than 30 days and to be safe I'd do it for more like 45 days.
If the meds you're using contain copper don't put any more in the tank. Might want to get some copper sponges if that's the case... | |
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03-13-2008, 01:18 PM
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| | Peppermint Shrimp
Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Seattle area Age: 36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KOgle  Well Ich has a life cycle of 30 days so to kill them all you'd have to deprive them of a host for the entire life cycle. (you never know where they're at in the life cycle) Almost impossible without removing fish from the tank.
We can only see ich for one week of this cycle if memory serves me correctly.
If I were you I'd QT the fish for no less than 30 days and to be safe I'd do it for more like 45 days.
If the meds you're using contain copper don't put any more in the tank. Might want to get some copper sponges if that's the case... | I could have sworn that I read that if there is no visible ich that means they are on the bottom of the tank to reproduce. And if they swimmers don't find a host they die fairly quickly. I may be wrong but the lifecycle is only 4 or 5 days? Maybe I'm not remembering correctly. lol | |
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03-13-2008, 01:39 PM
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| | Montipora Digitata
Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Baltimore, MD Age: 47
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Hey Amcarrig, yes Coppersafe does contain chelated copper.
Since I have already used the coppersafe in the tank I am hoping the two questions I asked could be answered. | |
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03-13-2008, 01:39 PM
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| | Caribbean Reef Squid
Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: ohio Age: 32
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No clue man, but I wish you luck!!!!!
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03-13-2008, 02:03 PM
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| | Montipora Digitata
Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Baltimore, MD Age: 47
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thank you, baugherb | |
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